Comments Thread For: Roach Takes Aim, Drops Ariza From Pacquiao's Corner

[Muscles72]

Even if he does hold the secret to Pac juicing, he still won't say nothing even if he is fired. It will ruin his own damn career. Even if he gets fired, he can still work with other fighters. Now if he spills the beans what fighters or trainer would want to bring him on board?

Oh man stop pac is not juicing there are a lot of tell tale signs and pac has none why are people out there that think other fighter's are juicing? I mean what the hell do you think is going to happen year after year training harder and heavier and then eating a good nutritional regimen man you're gonna get bigger your muscles respond by getting bigger and stronger I mean look at marquez in nov. 2011 when he fought pac he had his coach and in my opinion looked bigger than pac does that mean he was juicing ? of course not oh and also forgot to mention how he kicked pac's a$$ as well.

[Brother Jay]

Oh man stop pac is not juicing there are a lot of tell tale signs and pac has none why are people out there that think other fighter's are juicing? I mean what the hell do you think is going to happen year after year training harder and heavier and then eating a good nutritional regimen man you're gonna get bigger your muscles respond by getting bigger and stronger I mean look at marquez in nov. 2011 when he fought pac he had his coach and in my opinion looked bigger than pac does that mean he was juicing ? of course not oh and also forgot to mention how he kicked pac's a$$ as well.

As much as we don't have proof that Pac is juicing, what proof do you have that he is not?

You speak so matter of factly about an issue that you absolutely nothing about. You do know that your own opinion means nothing as it pertains to facts, right?

The reason the su****ion is so intense surrounding Manny Pacquiao's alleged PED use is because he's the only boxer ever to refuse PED testing when tens of millions were on the line. It simply doesn't make sense. Out of 4 billion people in this world, I don't think any of them would refuse giving a teaspoon a blood for $40 million dollars.

He's just that unique and principled, huh?

I might believe that if he didn't have a child with a Filipino ********** while married to Jinkee. That's his wife, BTW.

Alex Ariza could EASILY leak information about Pac's PED use to any news outlet. It doesn't even have to be details about his regimen. We don't know what Ariza may have recorded in the years he's worked with Manny. It could be audio or video. There could be a third party that may have witnesses Manny juice, and Ariza knows who it is and can coerce them to come forward.

There are so many ways it can go down. It goes down like this all the time in politics .. and the whistle-blower is not always revealed.

[jrosales13]

Oh man stop pac is not juicing there are a lot of tell tale signs and pac has none why are people out there that think other fighter's are juicing? I mean what the hell do you think is going to happen year after year training harder and heavier and then eating a good nutritional regimen man you're gonna get bigger your muscles respond by getting bigger and stronger I mean look at marquez in nov. 2011 when he fought pac he had his coach and in my opinion looked bigger than pac does that mean he was juicing ? of course not oh and also forgot to mention how he kicked pac's a$$ as well.

Nah, Pac is juicing or has juiced in the past.

[Muscles72]

Yea but look at this and I know you remember manny has no problem pissing in a bottle its when he gives blood in the coming days to a fight he believes it will rob his body of power in fact that's why he says he lost to morales the first time and you're right maybe I'm going on my own opinion but ped's are also found in urine right? I mean that's how they got vargas and all the rest of them right and hey you know what you're right he never would have beat any of them fighters if it wasn't for catch weights especially oscar.

[Muscles72]

Nah, Pac is juicing or has juiced in the past.

Manny has no problem pissing in a bottle juice is detected that way as well he just don't like giving blood prior to fight.

[Brother Jay]

Yea but look at this and I know you remember manny has no problem pissing in a bottle its when he gives blood in the coming days to a fight he believes it will rob his body of power in fact that's why he says he lost to morales the first time and you're right maybe I'm going on my own opinion but ped's are also found in urine right? I mean that's how they got vargas and all the rest of them right and hey you know what you're right he never would have beat any of them fighters if it wasn't for catch weights especially oscar.

Who cares what Manny believes?

Roach himself said that HGH cannot be detected through a piss test.

Many PEDs cannot be detected by a piss test.

State Athletic Commission tests can be beaten EASILY if they only piss test.

And truthfully its not just the blood that Manny has a problem with. Its the randomness of the tests.

When someone is juicing, they need to know when the PED test is so that they can test negative. If the timing gets screwed up and they are forced to give blood without notice, it will look like Pacquiao/Morales 1. Manny lost that fight .. and I believe its because the lab screwed up and Manny had to submit a clean sample of blood with no notice. That happened. And then we saw what happened afterwards.

I am not saying that Pacquiao is juicing, but refusing a PED tests for 4 years sure doesn't help him look any more innocent. And then the fact that it went from Manny being too principled to take the tests, to Manny asking for cut off dates made him look even more su****ious.

Couple that with the fact that since Manny has been accused of PED use, he's opted for a Beatles-esque hair style that hides his forehead and brow .. and a goatee the hides his chin.

Anyone who knows about HGH knows that it gives you a cro magnon look. It makes your brow and chin jut outwards and increases the size of one's forehead and jaw.

Manny sure has grown lots of hair to take away from anyone noticing. A few of us still have anyway.

But regardless of what symptoms Manny Pacquiao may exhibit, it cannot be ruled as a result of PEDs unless he submits to random OST testing.

Pacquiao has refused for years and is now talking about retiring.

Coincidence? I think not.

[pnksntdead]

oh please, trying to be too simplist is convenient for you to manipulate the situation.

the fact was, pacquiao declined random drug testing in their initial bout because the person accusing him of juicing was none other that a convicted drug dealer (floyd sr.). pacquiao wiped the floor with floyd srs fighter. to some, if you can beat them, slander them.

pacquiao, like floyd, can rake in money in his fights without the help of the other so floyd doesn't have the same financial leverage over him like floyd does over fighters who are not ppv stars. pacquiao's mistake is he couldn't forsee how his refusal to subject himself the floyds excessive demands can be spun into a black propaganda against him.

it's not about being the most principled person in the world, it's about not being ****ed around in the negotiation table when you know you have bargaining position.

the fact is, manny has agreed to testing in their latest talks but haters would still accuse him of juicing. this fight should have happened already if floyd hadn't decided to move the goal and ask for the lion's share.

in the never ending witch hunt against pacquiao, guilty until proven innocent is the name of the game. a long with unsubstaintiated assumptions that are taken in as factual evidence. haters hear are getting their ji zz off by fantasizing on pacquiao's failure.

bottom line, if a single percent of the doping claims the haters post around here is supported by proof, pacs case against floyd would have been thrown out the window now.

As much as we don't have proof that Pac is juicing, what proof do you have that he is not?

You speak so matter of factly about an issue that you absolutely nothing about. You do know that your own opinion means nothing as it pertains to facts, right?

The reason the su****ion is so intense surrounding Manny Pacquiao's alleged PED use is because he's the only boxer ever to refuse PED testing when tens of millions were on the line. It simply doesn't make sense. Out of 4 billion people in this world, I don't think any of them would refuse giving a teaspoon a blood for $40 million dollars.

He's just that unique and principled, huh?

I might believe that if he didn't have a child with a Filipino ********** while married to Jinkee. That's his wife, BTW.

Alex Ariza could EASILY leak information about Pac's PED use to any news outlet. It doesn't even have to be details about his regimen. We don't know what Ariza may have recorded in the years he's worked with Manny. It could be audio or video. There could be a third party that may have witnesses Manny juice, and Ariza knows who it is and can coerce them to come forward.

There are so many ways it can go down. It goes down like this all the time in politics .. and the whistle-blower is not always revealed.

[3piececombo]

oh please, trying to be too simplist is convenient for you to manipulate the situation.

the fact was, pacquiao declined random drug testing in their initial bout because the person accusing him of juicing was none other that a convicted drug dealer (floyd sr.). pacquiao wiped the floor with floyd srs fighter. to some, if you can beat them, slander them.

pacquiao, like floyd, can rake in money in his fights without the help of the other so floyd doesn't have the same financial leverage over him like floyd does over fighters who are not ppv stars. pacquiao's mistake is he couldn't forsee how his refusal to subject himself the floyds excessive demands can be spun into a black propaganda against him.

it's not about being the most principled person in the world, it's about not being ****ed around in the negotiation table when you know you have bargaining position.

the fact is, manny has agreed to testing in their latest talks but haters would still accuse him of juicing. this fight should have happened already if floyd hadn't decided to move the goal and ask for the lion's share.

in the never ending witch hunt against pacquiao, guilty until proven innocent is the name of the game. a long with unsubstaintiated assumptions that are taken in as factual evidence. haters hear are getting their ji zz off by fantasizing on pacquiao's failure.

bottom line, if a single percent of the doping claims the haters post around here is supported by proof, pacs case against floyd would have been thrown out the window now.

Why do comments always spin back to conversations of Manny vs. Floyd? I thought the article was about Ariza and Roach. Anyway, Bradley is the next opponent no matter who's in Manny's corner come fight night. And Bradley is a reputable champion that I'm sure Manny will be wise enough to have the best advisors in his corner. Too much is at stake for PAC. Bradley is young and very hungry and that may determine the fight if Manny doesn't match his intensity and desire. Marquez proved that hunger, heart, and ring intelligence can give problems to Pacquaio. And we must admit, whether we are PAC fans or not, that Bradley will be coming into the fight with hunger, heart, and ring intelligence.

I'm sure Manny will be prepared despite the idiosyncratic and immature behavior of both Roach and Ariza. At the end of the day, may the best man win on June 9th. No excuses allowed. And I hope that after the fight, both men will be respectful and mature. This will help the sport of boxing. And I surely pray that there will be a decisive victory for either of them so that we will not subject ourselves to another robbery! We just want to see a great fight, win, lose, or draw. If it's a great fight, real boxing fans won't care who won, we will be salivating to see it again!

This is why we didn't mind a third Marquez/Pacquiaon fight. Or Gatti/Ward. Or Ali/Frazier. Or rematches with Leonard/Hearns, or shucks, even Hopkins/Pascal was good enough to see twice. Just fight your heart out!!! That's all we ask.

[Brother Jay]

oh please, trying to be too simplist is convenient for you to manipulate the situation.

Too simplistic in what way?

the fact was, pacquiao declined random drug testing in their initial bout because the person accusing him of juicing was none other that a convicted drug dealer (floyd sr.). pacquiao wiped the floor with floyd srs fighter. to some, if you can beat them, slander them.

What "fact" are you referring to? That is no "fact".

pacquiao, like floyd, can rake in money in his fights without the help of the other so floyd doesn't have the same financial leverage over him like floyd does over fighters who are not ppv stars. pacquiao's mistake is he couldn't forsee how his refusal to subject himself the floyds excessive demands can be spun into a black propaganda against him.

Floyd absolutely does. Pacquiao is a $7 million dollar man. Floyd is a $35 million dollar man. Floyd is trying to open up Manny's eyes so that Manny can take home his real fair share, not the crumbs Arum leaves for Manny to sc**** up. Manny agreed to ANY and ALL testing. Manny agreed to a pay-cut to make the fight happen. Manny agreed to a fight ANY TIME.

He reneged on it ALL. You didn't know that, huh?

it's not about being the most principled person in the world, it's about not being ****ed around in the negotiation table when you know you have bargaining position.

Manny actually doesn't have a bargaining position. The only leverage he has is not to make the fight. He's actually making himself look worse in the eyes of fans. He's fighting for measly money when he could be fighting for gold and glory beyond any other prize in history of sports.

It wasn't about the money before. That's just Manny's latest excuse. Before it was about a cutoff date. Then it was about USADA. Then it was about the date as Manny claimed that his eye wouldn't heal in 7 months for a fight against Floyd in May. Now its the money .. ironically after Manny has looked badly in his last three fights and is considered having received a gift against Marquez.

the fact is, manny has agreed to testing in their latest talks but haters would still accuse him of juicing. this fight should have happened already if floyd hadn't decided to move the goal and ask for the lion's share.

The terms have changed. Manny is asking for the terms from 2009 and that, my misinformed friend, isn't going to happen. Plus what you're saying is double talk. Floyd didn't have to ask for the lion's share when Manny already stated that he would take a pay-cut. But I bet that makes sense in your mind. Manny can lie and renege every other week but you see no fault when he does.

Tsk tsk.

in the never ending witch hunt against pacquiao, guilty until proven innocent is the name of the game. a long with unsubstaintiated assumptions that are taken in as factual evidence. haters hear are getting their ji zz off by fantasizing on pacquiao's failure.

Oh Pacquiao is absolutely innocent until proven guilty as far as a court of law goes. However, its usually guilty until proven innocent when dealing with su****ion. Manny's perception is nowhere near where it used to be back when he was fighting the Barreras and Moraleses of the world.

Manny is NOT be the first athlete to be accused of using PEDs. Manny would not be the first boxer to take random PED tests to prove his innocence. You write as if this is all unprecedented. You should know your boxing better.

And its not the haters that make Pacquiao look bad. Its the years that Manny has REFUSED to take random OST testing. That was HIS choice. If he didn't want to do it against Mayweather, as you suggested earlier, then that's fine. But what about all of his other fights? He could have easily silenced critics by submitting to random OST testing by the agency of his own choice to repair his good name. There is a reason why he never did and is now contemplating retirement. The guy is 4 years younger than Floyd but fights like he's 4 years older since the PED allegations.

I wonder why.

bottom line, if a single percent of the doping claims the haters post around here is supported by proof, pacs case against floyd would have been thrown out the window now.

No one ever claimed that they had real evidence aside from Teddy Atlas who had no vested interest and therefore no reason to lie. No one is claiming proof.

People are simply saying that any person in the world, boxer or non boxer, would randomly give a teaspoon of blood over the course of a six week period when over $40 million was guaranteed. Manny has ducked and dodged like a coward.

Manny often utters "Give the fans what they want". Well the fans have wanted Manny to take the tests for YEARS. Literally for years. Its not even just Floyd fans either anymore. There is nothing wrong with fairness, but fans like you and others have tried to spin taking tests that assure fair play into bowing to Floyd's will. WTF do you think a negotiation is? Its expressing demands and meeting them.

If Floyd could agree to $10 million for every pound over 147lbs, then Pacquiao can agree to random USADA PED tests with absolutely no cutoff.

Which demand is more ridiculous? Are you man enough to be honest about that?

We'll see.

[Muscles72]

Nah, Pac is juicing or has juiced in the past.

If he was juicing than that **** was fake cause that wasn't enough to take down the great juan manuel marquez especially in that 3rd meeting the ultimate schooling maybe 3cs instead of two a week.