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  • Rockin'
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    #11
    If you have never stepped into a professional ring to throw fists then you are unable to comprehend what those extra 9 minutes could mean to a fighters well being.

    A good referee is always something that you want in fights. However, a referee can not see the tiny tears that might have begun to spill blood in a fighters brain, the hemorages nor when the 2 halves of the brain begin to seperate.

    There are fighters who can withstand enormous amounts of punishment and be fine. But there are so many instances where a fighter has stepped into the ring shortly after a prior bout with his body or mind not mended. How could a referee or doctor have any knowledge of these injuries.

    Cat scans are a good measure to try and avoid the tragedies, but they are only able to probe so deep. Alot of damage is not visible by cat scans alone.

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    A major breakthrough validating the long term effects of boxing did not occur until 1973, when a team of british researchers published a study that detailed the postumous examination of the brains of 15 boxers who had fought between 1900 and 1940 and had died in the past 16 years, between the ages of 57 and 91. The pathology reports were complimented
    by interviews with relatives and friends aswell as written accounts, from which researchers discovered that most of the deceased boxers had developed speech difficulties and the drooling and tremors characteristics of Parkinsons syndrome, in these cases the symtems of a punch drunk fighters. Upon microscopic inspection of cerebal tissue, clearly all of the men had suffered serious brain damage. Additionally, researchers compared the nerve cells in the brains of former boxers with those of non-fighters who had died at similar ages and found that the former evidenced greater degeneration and loss. More over, three-fourths of the former boxers had openings in the membranous partition (septum) between the two halves of the brain, a condition that could easily lead to hemorrhaging; with in the control group, only 3 percent showed such a condition. Corsellis and his associates concluded that detection and prevention of brain damage in living subjects remained difficult because the condition did not simply result from an accumulation of blows; further, there was a danger that, at any moment and for some unknown reason, one or more blows could be fatal. Thus no head injury was ever to trivial to be safely ignored.
    Jefferey T Sammons
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    15 rounds is not needed to prove who is the better boxer. That can be determined easily in the 36 minutes of fighting that we have today.

    While technology has greatly improved our ability to detect and study the damage that occurs in the ring, we are only able to touch the tip of the ice berg when dealing with living subjects.

    A cadavour can easily be disected and studied to determine the extent of any damage to the brain. The problem is that we can only see real physical evidence in dead people, not the living.

    From my experience, acquantances and friends in the sport I have seen first hand the transformation from well speaking young man to the slurring words of the washed up fighter. You must remember that these images on the television that you are watching are indeed real people. For our enjoyment, they step into the ring and wage war, risking their lives every time that they do so. I say that we are doing them a favor by limiting the bouts to 12 rounds as it stands today. Another 9 minutes may tell us who has really, really trained hard for the bout. Aswell, the extra 9 minutes may tell us who has taken the SERIOUS beating as he lay unconcious on the canvas with doctors trying to revive him. I would hope that any fighter that has fallen from a blow would recover and continue on in his life unchanged. Letting the 9 minutes, taken from the 15 round fights, go is a step to better safety and public perception for our sport aswell as the well being of the fighters.

    Rockin'
    Last edited by Rockin'; 12-08-2005, 07:19 PM.

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    • JMCbulls
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      #12
      15 rounds would protect fighters from robberies alot, it would b a good idea

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      • buddereye
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        #13
        15 rounds would be good but I would not want the fighters to fight in a outside arena. Especially if the weather is over 100 degrees. We all know what happen to Ali and Frazier.

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        • American_Ninja
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          #14
          Originally posted by Rockin1
          If you have never stepped into a professional ring to throw fists then you are unable to comprehend what those extra 9 minutes could mean to a fighters well being.

          A good referee is always something that you want in fights. However, a referee can not see the tiny tears that might have begun to spill blood in a fighters brain, the hemorages nor when the 2 halves of the brain begin to seperate.

          There are fighters who can withstand enormous amounts of punishment and be fine. But there are so many instances where a fighter has stepped into the ring shortly after a prior bout with his body or mind not mended. How could a referee or doctor have any knowledge of these injuries.

          Cat scans are a good measure to try and avoid the tragedies, but they are only able to probe so deep. Alot of damage is not visible by cat scans alone.

          ---------------------------------------------------------------
          A major breakthrough validating the long term effects of boxing did not occur until 1973, when a team of british researchers published a study that detailed the postumous examination of the brains of 15 boxers who had fought between 1900 and 1940 and had died in the past 16 years, between the ages of 57 and 91. The pathology reports were complimented
          by interviews with relatives and friends aswell as written accounts, from which researchers discovered that most of the deceased boxers had developed speech difficulties and the drooling and tremors characteristics of Parkinsons syndrome, in these cases the symtems of a punch drunk fighters. Upon microscopic inspection of cerebal tissue, clearly all of the men had suffered serious brain damage. Additionally, researchers compared the nerve cells in the brains of former boxers with those of non-fighters who had died at similar ages and found that the former evidenced greater degeneration and loss. More over, three-fourths of the former boxers had openings in the membranous partition (septum) between the two halves of the brain, a condition that could easily lead to hemorrhaging; with in the control group, only 3 percent showed such a condition. Corsellis and his associates concluded that detection and prevention of brain damage in living subjects remained difficult because the condition did not simply result from an accumulation of blows; further, there was a danger that, at any moment and for some unknown reason, one or more blows could be fatal. Thus no head injury was ever to trivial to be safely ignored.
          Jefferey T Sammons
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          15 rounds is not needed to prove who is the better boxer. That can be determined easily in the 36 minutes of fighting that we have today.

          While technology has greatly improved our ability to detect and study the damage that occurs in the ring, we are only able to touch the tip of the ice berg when dealing with living subjects.

          A cadavour can easily be disected and studied to determine the extent of any damage to the brain. The problem is that we can only see real physical evidence in dead people, not the living.

          From my experience, acquantances and friends in the sport I have seen first hand the transformation from well speaking young man to the slurring words of the washed up fighter. You must remember that these images on the television that you are watching are indeed real people. For our enjoyment, they step into the ring and wage war, risking their lives every time that they do so. I say that we are doing them a favor by limiting the bouts to 12 rounds as it stands today. Another 9 minutes may tell us who has really, really trained hard for the bout. Aswell, the extra 9 minutes may tell us who has taken the SERIOUS beating as he lay unconcious on the canvas with doctors trying to revive him. I would hope that any fighter that has fallen from a blow would recover and continue on in his life unchanged. Letting the 9 minutes, taken from the 15 round fights, go is a step to better safety and public perception for our sport aswell as the well being of the fighters.

          Rockin'
          What are you? A doctor or a boxer? Spare us all the rhetoric please. A fighter can be killed in the 1st round, just the same as in the 15th.

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          • SUPER ZAB FAN
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            #15
            I am not a boxer , nor have i ever been a boxer .

            I am a fan of the sport , and i think sometimes Boxers are robbed in the ring .

            They get in the ring knowing that they can get killed .

            That is a reality. How are they more susceptible to being killed past the 12th then they are during the initial 12 ??

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            • Tha Greatest
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              #16
              Funny thing is, when there were 15 rounds, there was HARDLY any robberies...

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              • Dirt E Gomez
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                #17
                One of two things most occur for boxing's sake:

                1. 15 round fights in order to avoid more draws and solidify who the victor really is (add in more late round T/KO)

                or

                2. Fix the 10 point scoring system with more up to date rules that allow for fighters who might have won the fight walk away with the belt regardless of possibly being inactive.

                Personally, I prefer option 2. By making the winner of boxing matches dictate on much more than purely who wins more rounds and by how many points. Points should be given/taken easier for things the judges see. Let's say Fighter A dominates 5 rounds but not by a large enough margin to be 10:8 but Fighter B wins 7 rounds but not nearly as decisively. Fighter B wins the match. This is not justice, and should be changed for the better of the sport. Overhall this outdated 10 point system and make a better one.

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                • SUPER ZAB FAN
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                  #18
                  It is a fact .


                  More KO = More Fans

                  Less bull**** judges scorecards = more fans

                  More clear winners = More fans

                  Good referee's with a lil more power = Safer boxers .



                  I mean How many times have you seen a fighter win the early rounds then try to coast to a victory and are PPV money ??

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                  • American_Ninja
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Rockin1
                    I am a retired fighter who has done thorough research into the subject. So may I ask, what are you?

                    Yes, a fighter can be killed in the first or the 15th round. But there are many factors that you must look at with the safety issues.

                    Dehydration is and has been a factor in many ring deaths. There is a fluid that your brain is floating in inside of your skull. As you dehydrate through a fight this fluid becomes less of a cushion as your bodies water is persperated through the skin.

                    I dont appreciate having things that I say being called rhetoric.

                    So I have these question for you. How many fights have you had? how many years have you been involved in the sport? How much actual knowledge do you have of the medical aspects? How much actual, first hand knowledge do you have of boxing.

                    So what are you, a boxer, a doctor or just another punk ***** with another uneducated opinion?

                    Let me know
                    Rockin'
                    Here we go with the tuff guy BS. I stated my opinion if you dont like it ..thats too ****ing bad.....***** Robin.

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                    • MikeHunt
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by SUPER ZAB FAN
                      With all the bullsh** that goes into the Judges scorecards .

                      Wouldnt it be better if Title fights were 15 rounds like back in the day ??

                      Just think , of all the close fights that perhaps would have had a for sure winner and no controversy ?

                      Jermain Taylor probably wouldnt have won the first fight .

                      Roy jones might not have won the First fight with Tarver.

                      Ruiz might no longer hold the Heavyweight belt.
                      Castillo could have maybe been a more clearer winner in the First fight with PBF .

                      We all know how judges can be influenced and " Bought " .
                      This could be a move to put the fights more in the fighters hands .
                      Hell yea, 15 Rounds! Who cares about fighter safety.... Wait, isn't that we went to 12 rounds.

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