Im sorry Old school fighters are not automatically the best

[The_Sandman]

This is absolutely correct.
That's why Wladimir Klitschko is by far the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Clearly an evolved superfighter. A 2.0 version of Ali if you will.

You're just talking about one example. I'm talking about in general. Not to sound like Captain obvious here but the present will always be more advanced then the past. I'm talking about advance. Now if we were to talk about who the greater fighter was, then yes, your Ali and Klitschko comparison would work. And for the record, if Ali and Klitschko were to fight, I would give it to Ali, but like I said before, that's just one example.

[Spray_resistant]

Tua would have ko'd Marciano in less than 3.

[Barry Halls]

You're just talking about one example. I'm talking about in general. Not to sound like Captain obvious here but the present will always be more advanced then the past. I'm talking about advance. Now if we were to talk about who the greater fighter was, then yes, your Ali and Klitschko comparison would work. And for the record, if Ali and Klitschko were to fight, I would give it to Ali, but like I said before, that's just one example.

The problem here is that it's true almost across the board. Most weightclasses are more shallow and with a lesser depth of talent that previous eras.

It's not like humans evolve biologically over 50 years. It takes thousands upon thousands of years.
So what is the reason for other sports evolving and being more advanced today?

1. More athletes which in turn leads to a higher competitiveness among the talents. It's harder to be the best among a million than among a hundred.

2. Difference in how the athletes train. This is like night and day for most sports if you compare how they used to train. Look at how nfl players are built today compared to past eras.

How is this the case with boxing though? How is Mayweathers workouts different from those greats of past eras? If you can't point this out, then how has the sport evolved?

3. Another obvious part would be a major difference in how the sport is played. Rule differences etc.

So to sum it up.
The greats of past eras had tougher competition, a massively deeper pool of athletes and they roughly train the same day today as before.

Nutrition? How is todays nutrition any better than before? Genemanipulated garbage, stressed animals with antibiotics and fed up on corn etc.
I'm sure Floyds twinkies is not the reason he's a superevolved fighter.
And how is his style of fighting evolved? Can you not find fighters from past eras that fight with an almost identical style?

[New England]

I don't think its a troll post, I agree with him personally though I'd say Gatti was more technically able. I think LaMotta was a poor mans Rios

"i think lamotta was a poor man's rios "

nice.

[New England]

A god among men.

i love the shot on the left

"party party.... glamor shot."
"did you get my cheekbones?"

[studentofthegam]

I don't think its a troll post, I agree with him personally though I'd say Gatti was more technically able. I think LaMotta was a poor mans Rios

I agree with Larry on this one too. Im glad someone played that Greb training session. The basement boy in the history section werent even honest enough to say "Hey man that **** is funny lookin". Its always gonna be the same so lets just enjoy the heated debates.

[FightScorer]

LOL@ comparing Robinson at his best to Jones at his worst.

Give me a break.

James Toney was as big a puncher at SMW as all the names you listed. There's a reason why Toney was P4P#1 at the point when RJJ fought him and those others weren't.

I love Robinson. I mean absolutely admire the man, but athletes get better, smarter and much better trained over time. Using nostalgia as a ruler just doesn't measure up.

Prime Lennox Lewis will put Robinson and Roy in a hospital on the same night.
Deal with it. Evolution ended with Lennox Lewis, after Lewis it's just revolution,.

[FightScorer]

Morons in this thread.


Explain why WW'S in the 80's and 90's were bigger than the midget welterweights of today?

[The_Sandman]

The problem here is that it's true almost across the board. Most weightclasses are more shallow and with a lesser depth of talent that previous eras.

It's not like humans evolve biologically over 50 years. It takes thousands upon thousands of years.
So what is the reason for other sports evolving and being more advanced today?

1. More athletes which in turn leads to a higher competitiveness among the talents. It's harder to be the best among a million than among a hundred.

2. Difference in how the athletes train. This is like night and day for most sports if you compare how they used to train. Look at how nfl players are built today compared to past eras.

How is this the case with boxing though? How is Mayweathers workouts different from those greats of past eras? If you can't point this out, then how has the sport evolved?

3. Another obvious part would be a major difference in how the sport is played. Rule differences etc.

So to sum it up.
The greats of past eras had tougher competition, a massively deeper pool of athletes and they roughly train the same day today as before.

Nutrition? How is todays nutrition any better than before? Genemanipulated garbage, stressed animals with antibiotics and fed up on corn etc.
I'm sure Floyds twinkies is not the reason he's a superevolved fighter.
And how is his style of fighting evolved? Can you not find fighters from past eras that fight with an almost identical style?

For your first point, I don't know if there were more athletes back then but if there were I'll agree with you to a point. And I say to a point because the fact that there were so many professionals tells me that the standards weren't that high back then. Today, they drain it down to the few good ones.

You're second point, training. I mentioned how the standards weren't as high back then. As fighters are constantly breaking records, the standards are just going to get higher. Sure they probably do the same exercises as back then such as hitting the bag and road work and such, but the methods are different. Today fighters are not just hiring trainers, but strength and conditioning coach. Hell, even nutritionist. If fighters are running 5 miles back then, then they are running 8 miles today. Participating in triathlons. Anything to get the edge. You mentioned Mayweather. His mitt work is advanced and different from any other fighters. It focuses on reflexes, punch selection, and making sure the punches are second nature. But it also teaches you that "touching" rather than hard hitting is essential. That was just an example. But the point is, that even training is more evolved.

[FightScorer]

Tua would have ko'd Marciano in less than 3.

David Tua was a ***ing beast. He was shot after Lewis, Lewis ruined him. The Tua heading into the Lewis fight would have been a favorite against Louis,Marciano,Dempsey, and Frazier.