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Why is it that when people compare Floyd or manny to past fighters?
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Originally posted by MRBOOMER View PostThat great and fine when did I say they were the greatest?
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Alvarado should get first dibs if he wants it, but Prescott will give a good fight. On short notice, I can't imagine many other worthwhile fighters stepping up.
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I think most of y'all missed my point.
All I'm saying is I don't think it's fair to say they'd win because they fought better fighters or they went up to higher weight classes and beat bigger an better people
If there great now and you classify them as such they should be great then to
Same way people say if past greats were here now they'd still be great Just give em a fare shake anything can happen in this sport and we know it. I made this thread because there the two biggest names at the moment and get thrown up in fantasies the most. All I'm saying is there's nothing that says they can't win and it just gets old that people always say they'd lose because past ATg beat better fighters that's all oppion I'm not making a case sand saying how they'd win or saying I'm sure they would I'm just saying its possible.
Of your skill set is great in this era it should be great in any and that's why I think it should be more even just my two cents...
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Originally posted by #1Assassin View Postyou wanna compare them to robinson, leonard, duran, hearns, whitaker etc.. the greatest WWs of all time. you think they should win those matchups, if they did the would be the best WWs ever.
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Originally posted by MRBOOMER View PostThe older fighter typically wins like really wtf
In the case of Robinson vs mayweather or manny at 147 how much footage of Robinson there exist? For you to say he'd beat these two? Just because he one of the greatest doesn't mean he'd win...has he ever fought anybody with there style sets? And beat them? Is their footage to prove it?
This goes for every other ATg fighter there compared to
Bassilo
Whitaker
Trinidad
Pryor
Hearns
SRL
And the list goes on? I just don't get it just cause they beat other great fighters doesn't just mean they'd beat these two
robinson is very well filmed as a middleweight
he's widely considered in the top 3 of all time at MW
he was champion five times. when there was only one belt.
at WW he's the consensus goat. the film is grainy, but it's out there. WW robinson had no flaws
do you understand that?
pacquiao and manny have big flaws.
manny has trouble with boxers and floyd is not an overly potent offensive fighter.
robinson has one of, if not the best left hook ever thrown
some some of, if not the best combinations ever
he was fast
huge
had a DYNAMITE chin. one of the greatest ever
and if he had to he could box
his only real flaw?
he was all offensive and thus was open to be hit a bit. his chin was so good it never really mattered
there's also a good amount of some of the fighters he defeated, and lots of them are great great fighters
if you watch boxing long enough you honestly know what to look for. if you watch a few rounds of a guy against a top opponent you can generally get an idea of how damn good these guys were.
there were more boxers licensed in new york state in the 50's than there are in the entire world today
boxing, baseball, and horse racing used to the the biggest sports on the planet
the heavyweight championship used to be the most coveted title in sport, surpassing the others by a great margin.
oh yeah
and the amateurs used to box in a professional tradition with larger gloves and shorter fights. it was a far better system for creating great professional boxers
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Originally posted by New England View Postrobinson is very well filmed as a middleweight
he's widely considered in the top 3 of all time at MW
he was champion five times. when there was only one belt.
at WW he's the consensus goat. the film is grainy, but it's out there. WW robinson had no flaws
do you understand that?
pacquiao and manny have big flaws.
manny has trouble with boxers and floyd is not an overly potent offensive fighter.
robinson has one of, if not the best left hook ever thrown
some some of, if not the best combinations ever
he was fast
huge
had a DYNAMITE chin. one of the greatest ever
and if he had to he could box
his only real flaw?
he was all offensive and thus was open to be hit a bit. his chin was so good it never really mattered
there's also a good amount of some of the fighters he defeated, and lots of them are great great fighters
if you watch boxing long enough you honestly know what to look for. if you watch a few rounds of a guy against a top opponent you can generally get an idea of how damn good these guys were.
there were more boxers licensed in new york state in the 50's than there are in the entire world today
boxing, baseball, and horse racing used to the the biggest sports on the planet
the heavyweight championship used to be the most coveted title in sport, surpassing the others by a great margin.
oh yeah
and the amateurs used to box in a professional tradition with larger gloves and shorter fights. it was a far better system for creating great professional boxers
I'm sorry after I saw that I just stopped reading I mean that's a bit over the top don't you think?
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Originally posted by larryx2013 View Postmost people have never even seen the ond fighters fight and the rest most of the time are just delusional Manny and Floyd would be the best of the best in any damn era hands down
People grossly overestimate the impact of "modern training techniques" when it comes to boxing. Boxers mostly train the same they always done. So what is it that would make current boxers better than those of the past even when there's less fighters now and the best athletes generally pick other sports?
Oh i guess it's the great advances in nutritional science. IT's the power of all the ramen noodles and twinkies floyd eats!
Or Maybe god loves Pacquiao more than he did Duran!
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Originally posted by Harry Balls View PostWould the same be said for the Klitschkos? If not, why?
People grossly overestimate the impact of "modern training techniques" when it comes to boxing. Boxers mostly train the same they always done. So what is it that would make current boxers better than those of the past even when there's less fighters now and the best athletes generally pick other sports?
Oh i guess it's the great advances in nutritional science. IT's the power of all the ramen noodles and twinkies floyd eats!
Or Maybe god loves Pacquiao more than he did Duran!
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