Just watched ward vs froch...

[1g5a22]

For the first time...

Only seen highlight's and read a few bit's in forum's about this fight (too busy sometimes to sit n watch fight's) I tend to catch up on youtube, anyway i set a bit of time aside to watch it...

I was expecting some sensational schooling like a i.e hopkins vs pavlik or calzaghe vs lacy type fight going on what i have read in forum's etc however i was suprised to see it was far from it!

A clear UD for ward no doubt but it certainly was no whitewash, all i saw was the younger/faster man content to rack up another points win, what struck me was that froch actually proved to be the fitter man as ward was f***ed towards the latter part of the fight (he was timewatching and holding to buy time) froch is a man of steel, crazy stamina!

Ward started well, carl began to get back into the fight midway and the latter half was fairly even with froch going for broke and ward sitting back on his laurels..

Ward seem's to switch off and tire a little in the latter part of fight's (he did it vs bika too) i think stamina issue's will play out in wards career! He was tired vs bika and froch, imagine what a fighter with A serious workrate could do??

A lot of questions still surround ward imo...im reserving judgement thus far!

Im a fan but he's yet to fight a slick fighter like a bute or a calzaghe, or indeed a good southpaw!! He's very good with upright, european style fighter's (predictable guy's like kessler) but how would he cope with the serious workrate or awkward angle's that i.e a calzaghe/bute would pose!

One could argue that the wear n tear of froch's previous escapades and his style of fighting played a part in this fight not to mention he is mid 30's now and fight's worldwide! The froch that beat pascal would have given ward a tougher time imo....that being said i think ward's speed and physicality would always make me favour him over froch.

Big fan of both men, but bute is going to be a stylistic nightmare for both men by the looks of thing's...a slick southpaw with power, stamina, good punch variation, accuracy and speed!!

[#1Assassin]

to say the froch who fought pascal would have given ward a tougher time shows you dont know anhything about boxing. if you cant recognize the incredible improvement froch made since then i question your judgement on anything boxing related. i mean come on, seriously? froch is a diffrent class of fighter now than he was then, he arguably improved more than anyone in boxing. its like saying khan or pacquiao was better pre roach or wlad was better pre steward. ludicrous.

also wards stamina is very good, hes just a smart fighter. he knew he wasnt gonna knock froch out and he knew he had the fight won so there was no reason to take risks.

it was a great performance. he might not have schooled froch the way calzaghe did lacy or hopkins did pavlik but guess what, he wasnt in there with pavlik or lacy. ward wasnt in there with a hypejob like lacy who never beat a single quality fighter in his career or a one dimensional kelly pavlik. he was in there with a fighter who proved himself to be one of the 2 best 168lbers by fighting the best over and over, having the roughest string of fights in boxing. a fighter whos never been soundly beaten, is known to find a way to win in any scenario and belonged in the top 10 p4p. ward might not have outclassed him but he clearly outboxed a real beast which is much more impressive than hopkins' or calzaghes aforementioned wins.

[1g5a22]

to say the froch who fought pascal would have given ward a tougher time shows you dont know anhything about boxing. if you cant recognize the incredible improvement froch made since then i question your judgement on anything boxing related. i mean come on, seriously? froch is a diffrent class of fighter now than he was then, he arguably improved more than anyone in boxing. its like saying khan or pacquiao was better pre roach or wlad was better pre steward. ludicrous.

also wards stamina is very good, hes just a smart fighter. he knew he wasnt gonna knock froch out and he knew he had the fight won so there was no reason to take risks.

it was a great performance. he might not have schooled froch the way calzaghe did lacy or hopkins did pavlik but guess what, he wasnt in there with pavlik or lacy. ward wasnt in there with a hypejob like lacy who never beat a single quality fighter in his career or a one dimensional kelly pavlik. he was in there with a fighter who proved himself to be one of the 2 best 168lbers by fighting the best over and over, having the roughest string of fights in boxing. a fighter who belonged in the top 10 p4p. ward might not have outclassed him but he clearly outboxed a real beast which is much more impressive than hopkins' or calzaghes aforementioned wins.

Alright calm down....Why do forum dwellers always get personal?? I know more about boxing than u would like to believe!

Froch has made no improvement since pascal whatsoever, all he has done is age! He is the same every fight and has never shown any signs of progression whatsoever.

You're right he is a beast! But that's hardly a compliment to his abilities is it? Chisora is a beast....

And don't start with the lacy ****e! U know u picked him over the pasty slapper! Just like the majority of the boxing establishment did i.e bhop, winky wright, toney, jones JR and the majority of the internet world!

Dumb down lacy all u want, at least he was a legit SMW unlike some of carls opponents i.e taylor, abraham and glenn johnson!

Funny u say lacy never beat anyone yet lacy victims syd vanderpool and omar sheika beat a much younger version of glenn johnson than froch did!

And lacy himself certainly beat an reid down better than froch did (froch fought him 2 years later)...when i watched froch v reid i thought it would be a farce but it was pretty competitive at times and reid shook him up in rd4 pretty bad but wise decision to quit on the stool at that stage of his career.

calzaghe put an end to lacy's momentum, career and soul that night!

I'd pick lacy pre calzaghe over i.e arthur abraham any day! He was also undefeated and had a major belt...unlike froch by the time ward got to him.

Froch's recent fights, although they look good on paper can all be questioned..

Abraham - too small for a SMW. not beaten any SMWs of note, never close to winning a title at the weight!

Glen Johnson - 42 years old - has lost 15 fights including to Omar Shieka (who Calzaghe ko'd), as well as to the like of Silvio Branco, Syd Vanderpool and Joseph Kiwanuka at SMW

Jermaine Taylor - never close to a SMW title only win at the weight was against Jeff Lacy (who was never going to be the same after the 12 rnd beating Calzaghe gave him)

Andre Dirrell - horrid fight.

Kessler - a twice beaten former world champion beat Froch!! (the version of Kessler that Calzaghe faced was an unbeaten world champion!)

[#1Assassin]

Alright calm down....Why do forum dwellers always get personal?? I know more about boxing than u would like to believe!

Froch has made no improvement since pascal whatsoever, all he has done is age! He is the same every fight and has never shown any signs of progression whatsoever.

You're right he is a beast! But that's hardly a compliment to his abilities is it? Chisora is a beast....

And don't start with the lacy ****e! U know u picked him over the pasty slapper! Just like the majority of the boxing establishment did i.e bhop, winky wright, toney, jones JR and the majority of the internet world!

Dumb down lacy all u want, at least he was a legit SMW unlike some of carls opponents i.e taylor, abraham and glenn johnson!

Funny u say lacy never beat anyone yet lacy victims syd vanderpool and omar sheika beat a much younger version of glenn johnson than froch did!

And lacy himself certainly beat an old reid down better than froch did...calzaghe put and end to lacy's momentum career and soul that night!

lacy just plain couldnt fight. his skills were weak, they always were. i didnt pick lacy over calzaghe, i made no pick whatsoever acctually. i will admit i didnt think highly of calzaghe and that i was wrong about that, he was a much better fighter than i thought. but i NEVER got onboard the lacy hype train either and i was right on him. i always said he was all hype and im tired of ppl assuming i thought he was great til joe beat him bcuz i didnt. i always thought he was garbage.

johnson and abraham would both have have beaten lacy and taylor outclassed him. omar sheikas "win" over glen johnson is widely regarded as one of the biggest robberies in the last 20 years, ppl always talk about how johnson has been robbed a bunch of times and that fight is the biggest of them all. i havent seen the vanderpool fight bu i heard he couldve gotten that one too. either way vanderpool was a full time fighter and johnson was a full time construction worker who boxed on his spare time. he was, is and always will be a better fighter than syd vaderpool.

froch is much improved since the pascal fight, his skill is deceptive though. im not saying hes a technician but hes much more skillful than he gets credit for. his jab, bodypunching, punch variety, sense of range, timing, experience, poise and ability to adapt has all greatly improved since he first won the title. comletely diffrent fighter.

[Earl-Hickey]

Froch's "improvement" is overrated imo, and is really flattered by the Abraham fight.

I thought he looked horrible against Glen Johnson.

I am expecting Lucian to stop him when that fight happens, i'll be shocked if Froch has anything much left to give in his career

froch is much improved since the pascal fight, his skill is deceptive though. im not saying hes a technician but hes much more skillful than he gets credit for. his jab, bodypunching, punch variety, sense of range, timing, experience, poise and ability to adapt has all greatly improved since he first won the title. comletely diffrent fighter.

Actually, Froch had all of those things before the Pascall fight, he just didn't use them there, or against Taylor or Dirrell, belive it or not, Abraham onwards Froch actually reverted to his domestic level style of fighting

[fatmash]

Froch's "improvement" is overrated imo, and is really flattered by the Abraham fight.

I thought he looked horrible against Glen Johnson.

I am expecting Lucian to stop him when that fight happens, i'll be shocked if Froch has anything much left to give in his career



Actually, Froch had all of those things before the Pascall fight, he just didn't use them there, or against Taylor or Dirrell, belive it or not, Abraham onwards Froch actually reverted to his domestic level style of fighting

stop froch ????????? ........................ thats crazy talk sucker lol

[SaintGeorge]

Froch hasn't improved, he just had one good performance against an overrated middleweight.

[1g5a22]

johnson and abraham would both have have beaten lacy and taylor outclassed him.

Abraham @ 168lbs is garbage plain & simple!

And as for johnson it is clear you know nothing of boxing, have u any idea how johnsons SMW career panned out? He is 8 losses and 4 wins at the weight lol he lost to worser men than lacy at 168lbs so u cannot say with any certainty whatsoever that johnson would have beaten the pre lacy calzaghe @168!! The entire boxing world would have picked Lacy to beat johnson @ 168lbs when lacy was riding high...however johnson was long gone at 168lbs when jeff was making waves... i could quite easily see lacy winning a hard fought 12 rounds over the older man back then!

And as for your crap about sheika winning a gift...funny iv watched it,and never heard of any outrage surrounding this fight,oh and vanderpool beat him comfortably! News for you.... Omar Sheika used to be a good fighter!

Everyone outclasses lacy since he was publicly humiliated in wales,look what a shot jones jr did! It was a career ending fight in wales, they were even saying it whilst watching the beatdown/masterpiece! If lacy had of had better management and wasn't rushed into a calzaghe scrap (u know got a few more names under his belt etc) he would have fared much better in his career!

Had a froch v lacy fight come to fruition circa 2005/6/7 when they were both riding high off the reid wins it would have been a pick em fight... lacy the rising american power puncher vs the tough up n coming brit. U know u would have picked lacy whilst crying 'who the f*** is froch...lacy is the next tyson' etc lol u know u were riding that bandwagon high n loud back then! U know it! The post calzaghe lacy was a broken man.....

he was, is and always will be a better fighter than syd vaderpool.

Record wise yes but head 2 head clearly not. Vanderpool also did better against hopkins than johnson did..

froch is much improved since the pascal fight, his skill is deceptive though. im not saying hes a technician but hes much more skillful than he gets credit for. his jab, bodypunching, punch variety, sense of range, timing, experience, poise and ability to adapt has all greatly improved since he first won the title. comletely diffrent fighter.

No he really hasn't...that's the problem with froch, even he promises change and progress in the gym but it never translates to the ring! The fact that pascal was his finest performance own's your argument...he never bettered that! He is the same fighter just older and a tad war weary...bute will do a no. on him! And im a froch fan! Pascal was his finest hour...he has never boxed like that since!

This is why jeff was a superstar in the making, beautiful brutality, just watch him destroy vanderpool and tell me that was the same guy that fought jermaine taylor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA1SCQisG7Q

P.s winky wright sparred 100's of rounds with lacy and was full of praise...

[1g5a22]

bumping....

[black.ink]

I'd just like to point out to the fools with memory loss, Froch/Abraham pre-fight and post-fight is just like the Calzaghe/Lazy beat down

80% of the boxing world had Abraham down to stop Froch. It was Lacy hype all over again.

But, after a one-sided fight (albeit two different kinds of beatdowns) suddenly the Brits opponents weren't worth shit. It makes me laugh.

Pre-Calzaghe Lacy and pre-Froch Abraham had the boxing world on their dicks. They just got mentally and physically destroyed by better fighters.