Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather Talks Pacquiao, Retirement, Jail, More

[Mr. Invincible]

Who told you that Bob Arum??? Provide me the link where HBO HOme Box office provides the numbers and I'll be waiting.....Also, who gets payed more to fight??? Do you work for Bob Arum?? Are you a Pac fan or are you trying to negotiate on behalf of slavemaster Bob??

I'm waiting for HBO's official number on Manny Pacquioas last couple PPV fights......

Unless you're really so delusional that you actually believe Bob Arum??? LMBO....I'm waiting

OK, but on the flip side, you believe Floyd's PPV numbers release. You are a piece of work.

The numbers I was refering to came from ESPN. I will not be providing links. Don't care enough and don't have the time to waste on it.

[Mr. Invincible]

Where does it say Floyd agreed to go there???

Take a step back and realize what you are debating.

Dude, don't you know you have been super owned here?

I would just take my bruises and move on. It's pathetic at this point.

[Mr. Invincible]

Where did you see me write anything about believing anything other than HBO official numbers??

The other guy on here already shut down that argument with the links for the PPV numbers. Either way, it's not a 50/50 fight which was the original topic.

Now, keep thinking it is and continue being as delusional as Floyd, you owned hugger.

[Fighting Pride]

His career won't be remembered for one guy, however if he never fights Pac it will most likely leave a black mark and he'll never hear the end of the criticism. The importance of that fight is evident, Pac will be the greatest fighter he could have fought in his career, and the only ATG calibre opponent still relatively prime (Oscar was old n rusty, Mosley was really old). Castillo is probably his highest ranking win right now over a prime opponent, great win at lightweight, but historically in a pound for pound sense JLC won't be considered an ATG. Pac fight won't totally define his career, but it will certainly help take it to the next level and his quest to be considered one of the very greatest ever, which he claims he is. It's like Duran and his win over Leonard, it didn't override his legendary lightweight career, but put him up there with the greatest of ATGs. Would Duran be up there in most people's top 5 or 10 without having beaten a prime Leonard? Probably not. If Mayweather is trying to make out he doesn't need the fight, he doesn't, nobody in history needed to fight anyone. If he wants to "put the finishing touches on his legacy", he does need it. No way around it.

[TheOliverBrand]

I expect better from the people posting on the website. Here's what it boils down to...

Neither man is scared to make this fight. People tend to look at boxing as only a sport. When you see a fighter issue out a challenge to another fighter, and that fighter turns down the fight; As a "Casual" fan, its typical to say "he's scared" of the fight. A true boxing fan can easily assess this as something that went wrong in negotiations and terms were not able to be met by both parties. People, we are talking about a guy (Mayweather) who has been fighting since he came out of the womb. This is something that even I cannot fully comprehend, but am smart enough to understand that if you have been training to fight for over 30 years, I highly doubt that he is scared. The same can be said about Pacquiao, who had to fight to put food on the table for his family, selling cigarettes and fighting in small Filipino circuits to get his name out there. Neither guy is scared. I honestly believe that Bob Arum is the primary reason for this fight not happening. As a businessman, it is dire importance to protect your "Golden Goose" by any means necessary. He is the ONLY man under the Top Rank umbrella who rakes in the big numbers to sustain the promotion. He is NOT his own boss. If it were true, there would be no need for advances or for the financial tribulations that he has gone through. It has become increasingly clear that Manny Pacquiao is running out of options. Pacquiao deserves far better treatment than what he is receiving with Top Rank Promotions. For those who do not know the history of Bob Arum....DO YOUR RESEARCH! The guy is known for not paying his fighters as well as being more concerned about the money than his own fighters. He is a true disgrace to the sport of boxing and is the primary reason for its fall.

[Fighting Pride]

Oh ok....so does Pac get credit for Hatton, Oscar, and Shane?? Just curious to hear your opinion

Well Pac has a prime Barrera and Marquez as prime ATGs on his resume, and a great record vs MAB,EM,JMM, probably the 3 greatest fighters besides him from 120-135 of his era. Pac beating the likes of DLH when he was expected to be crushed, lineal 140 king Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, having gone up, really from from 130, is equivalent of a welterweight going up and putting in a solid run at middleweight/SMW against top rated fighters. So yes, he gets a lot of credit when taking into account he moved through 5 divisions in only like 7 fights or so to do it, (minus the Mosley fight, he was completely shot, that was an obvious money grab, and Margarito, with the hand wrap questions, that fight was purely for entertainment purposes). Of course he also needs the Mayweather to push up his credentials of claiming to be one of the greatest, but definately not as much as Mayweather needs Pacquiao's name on his resume.

[Fighting Pride]

Does Pac get credit for the guys you refuse to give afloyd credit for even though Floyd beat em first??? I'm waiting to hear your response

Mayweather gets credit from me, Mayweather was the first to beat Hatton, great win. But he didn't do it in his division like Pacquiao did, hard to rate it over Pacquiao's win over Hatton taking into consideration the circumstances. Hatton came in with one of his best performances before both, no question of him being shot, and I think him having being beaten by Mayweather is overriden by the fact he had never been beaten at 140 and with his impressive boxing performance vs Malignaggi. Historically Hatton wins would be about equal imo. I think Mosley win was great in the manner he shut him out, DLH win was great, in that Oscar had all the advantages and Mayweather was still able to beat him. Those wins can be questioned though, with Mosley having been off a year and a half and being 38, DLH being old and a part-time fighter. Mayweather's win over Mosley was clearly greater than Pac's, DLH is a tough one, he was tougher vs Mayweather, however Pacquiao moved up to fight him after having fought at 130 the same year and do you penalise him for DLH's weight blunder and for Pacquiao doing everything right? Mayweather beat the better DLH, but Pac's win was more legendary. Neither of those wins though will be rated as some of the best all-time, so it really doesn't matter. Pac has a deeper resume than Mayweather, that's all there is to it.

[TheOliverBrand]

Mayweather gets credit from me, Mayweather was the first to beat Hatton, great win. But he didn't do it in his division like Pacquiao did, hard to rate it over Pacquiao's win over Hatton taking into consideration the circumstances. Hatton came in with one of his best performances before both, no question of him being shot, and I think him having being beaten by Mayweather is overriden by the fact he had never been beaten at 140 and with his impressive boxing performance vs Malignaggi. Historically Hatton wins would be about equal imo. I think Mosley win was great in the manner he shut him out, DLH win was great, in that Oscar had all the advantages and Mayweather was still able to beat him. Those wins can be questioned though, with Mosley having been off a year and a half and being 38, DLH being old and a part-time fighter. Mayweather's win over Mosley was clearly greater than Pac's, DLH is a tough one, he was tougher vs Mayweather, however Pacquiao moved up to fight him after having fought at 130 the same year and do you penalise him for DLH's weight blunder and for Pacquiao doing everything right? Mayweather beat the better DLH, but Pac's win was more legendary. Neither of those wins though will be rated as some of the best all-time, so it really doesn't matter. Pac has a deeper resume than Mayweather, that's all there is to it.

There's a few points I have to disagree with you on (though you bring a tough argument PROPS!) De La Hoya should NOT have fought Pacquiao at 147 pounds. Its a weight that Oscar hadn't fought it in nearly ten years. He was shot during the weigh-ins, not to mention the fact that the Pacquiao camp had put restrictions on the amount of weight that Oscar could rehydrate to. At 154 pounds, ODLH loked extremely comfortable and was able to mount an effective plan against Mayweather. I would give the Hatton fight to Mayweather primarily due to the fact that Ricky was hungrier then . I think the TKO loss to Mayweather really took a toll on Hatton. Though he had won against Lazcano (after being rocked several times) and Malignaggi, he still looked the same, if not worse, getting caught with shots almost at will. Pacquiao indeed does have some names to his resume PRIOR to his welterweight debut.

[Fighting Pride]

There's a few points I have to disagree with you on (though you bring a tough argument PROPS!) De La Hoya should NOT have fought Pacquiao at 147 pounds. Its a weight that Oscar hadn't fought it in nearly ten years. He was shot during the weigh-ins, not to mention the fact that the Pacquiao camp had put restrictions on the amount of weight that Oscar could rehydrate to. At 154 pounds, ODLH loked extremely comfortable and was able to mount an effective plan against Mayweather. I would give the Hatton fight to Mayweather primarily due to the fact that Ricky was hungrier then . I think the TKO loss to Mayweather really took a toll on Hatton. Though he had won against Lazcano (after being rocked several times) and Malignaggi, he still looked the same, if not worse, getting caught with shots almost at will. Pacquiao indeed does have some names to his resume PRIOR to his welterweight debut.

There was no rehydration clause, that was a myth created by Pac haters. DLH went down to 145 on his own volition. Here he is telling us why a month out:
"Training camp is going well, I've been weighing 145 pounds now for the last three weeks," he said last week. "The weight is no problem - I feel strong.

"I did feel a little light-headed and weak, but now that I have gotten used to it and now that weeks have passed by, I feel fast and strong and comfortable at welterweight.

"And I'm even thinking of going back down to 140 after this fight. I've fought at 130 all the way up to 160. Now I'm going back down to 145. So in a couple of years I'll be hitting 135.

"My way of training and my way of eating has just been very strict, and therefore it's been easy for me to make this weight.

"It's very important for us since I haven't made 147 since I fought Arturo Gatti. I just want to make sure that I feel comfortable, that I feel strong, that I feel full of energy.

"I want to make my body adapt to this weight class. And, now that we've been on weight for several weeks now, I can eat whatever I want."


http://cointry.blogspot.com.au/2008/...-pacquiao.html

The fight could not possibly have happened at 154, it would not have sold, people thought it was a mismatch at 147! Plus DLH weighed 150 the fight previous and had a fight scheduled with Floyd at 147 for September that year before FLoyd retired, people conveniently forget that when trying to degrade Pacquiao's win. He also had hopes of fighting Cotto at welter before Margarito crushed that, and it was no secret a Hatton fight was also in his hopes after Pac.

And disagree on Hatton-Maligaggi, from memory it was his best boxing exhibition, against a guy many were saying could outbox him. Hatton out-fought and out-thought him and reduced Malignaggi to a flopping rag doll constantly grabbing him round the waist to avoid fighting. I remember a complet annihilation, but I'll have to watch it again. He didn't look great in the Lazcano fight true, just as he didn't look great in the Collazo fight before Floyd and somewhat v Urango aswell.

Whether he did coke before or after Pac, only he knows. I doubt it though, he was always a pigging out and alcohol guy, but always turned up in great shape for his fights. Didn't he say the Pacquiao loss is what sent him on the downward spiral to drugs? I think overconfidence and a bad tactical fight was more to blame for his undoing vs Pac than his habits outside the ring. He wanted the Pacquiao win for sure, especially after his loss to Floyd, lack of hunger I doubt had much to do with it. He really did think he'd just walk through Pac for a spectacular victory and fought like he believed that. There was no plan B when he got dropped. He was a KO waiting to happen that night and Pac did his job and made it happen.

[Fighting Pride]

How can a boxer be prime comimg off of a loss....Barerra was comimg off of a loss to JMM.....De La Hoya fought Pac at a weight division he hadnt fought at in over a decade and was coming off of multiple losses. Shane Mosley was coming off of a loss when Pac fought em, The same can be said with Margarito, Clottey, as well as Cotto....do your research....

The fact that you failed to mention Floyd desteuction Diego Corralles as a prime win is pretty surprising....

No way Pac's resume is better than Floyd's and that's truth.......Pac's first 40 fights were against car mechanics, and bus drivers......Guys that nine of us have never heard of and that have never made any type of big impact on tje sport of boxing.....

I like Pacquioa as a fighter but the fact is most of the wins he gets credit for are against guys comimg off of losses

I said Castillo was his best win over a prime fighter, doesn't mean I disregarded the Corrales win. JLC does rate as a greater win, because he was the greater fighter. Corrales win was amazing though, brilliant boxing exhibition. Barrera wasn't coming off a loss to Marquez in 03, he was ranked in most P4P top 5 lists. That's Pac's best win. I don't rate the Mosley win, I said that, but Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley lost to each other (Pac fught them all within a couple years moving up from 130, what's the problem?), when the best fight the best, someone has to lose. Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran had losses to each other, no-one dared call any of them leftovers, in a time long before internet fanboys. And guys like Sasakul, Ledwaba, Hussein, Agapito Sanchez were hardly cabdrivers, and all fighters start off fighting journeymen and average fighters, what they get rated on is their best wins and on the best they fight. Pacquiao's resume is better than Mayweather's in that department, few but Floyd die-hards would argue that. Each to his own though