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  • ChrististheAnswer2
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    George Bush v. Muhammad Ali

    I know this is old news but I thought this was an interesting article.

    Muhammad Ali v. George W. Bush

    By: Daniel Pipes on November 29, 2005


    George W. Bush honored the former boxer, Muhammad Ali, and thirteen others with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, called “the nation's highest civilian award,” on Nov. 9 at the White House. The president praised Ali for his sports accomplishments and called him “The Greatest of All Time.”

    Fine, but he then proceeded to laud Ali’s exemplary character: “The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he’s a man of peace. … Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own.”

    In this giddy, fawning statement, Bush did not, the Washington Post astringently noted, “mention Ali’s very public opposition to the Vietnam War, which led the prizefighter to lose his boxing license for three years when he refused to serve in the Army.” Worse, his refusal to fight was not because he was “a man of peace” but rather because his allegiance was to the stridently anti-American, anti-white organization known as the Nation of Islam, headed by the malign Elijah Muhammad.

    Forty years ago, Ali explained his draft evasion: “War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur’an. I’m not trying to dodge the draft. We are supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger [i.e., Elijah Muhammad]. We don’t take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers.” A draft evader, incidentally, is particularly ill-suited to receive the Medal of Freedom, which was created in 1945 to recognize “notable service” in World War II.

    The president also did not touch on Ali’s religious side, but Mark Kram did his 2001 book, Ghosts of Manila: The Fateful Blood Feud between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier: “Ali broke every tenet of real ****** law, from whoring to being truant at Temple service; he was a religious fake who abdicated his personal worth to the Black ******s for their expediency and draft evasion, [and was] therefore, counterfeit down to his socks.”

    As he aged, Ali did become more devout, but in unfortunate directions. He declared himself against “the entire power structure” in the United States, which he declared run by Zionists who “are really against the Islam religion.” He became so radical a ****** that the notorious Council on American-Islamic Relations, North America’s most powerful Islamist group, also honored him with an award in June 2004. As its press release stated: “Ilyasah Shabazz, the daughter of Malcolm X, presented the first Malcolm X award to Muhammad Ali.”

    (Ali was spectacularly ill-suited for this award too. Malcolm X had served as his role model until 1964, but when Elijah Muhammad ejected Malcolm X from the Nation of Islam, Ali ignored Malcolm X’s entreaties and turned viciously against him. He threw Malcolm X away, in the words of journalist Sunni Khalid, “like a pork chop.”)

    Bush’s praise for Ali’s compassion, charm, and beautiful soul are horribly misplaced. (As were large donations from General Electric and Ford to the hagiographic “Ali Center” that opened days later in Louisville, Kentucky.) Ali’s unvarnished legacy is an exploitative personality, sordid career, vicious politics, and extremist religion.

    Bush himself got an unexpected glimpse of the real Ali during their brief White House encounter. I’ll let the Washington Post describe the incident:

    Bush, who appeared almost playful, fastened the heavy medal around Muhammad Ali’s neck and whispered something in the heavyweight champion’s ear. Then, as if to say “bring it on,” the president put up his dukes in a mock challenge.

    Ali, 63, who has Parkinson’s disease and moves slowly, looked the president in the eye—and, finger to head, did the “crazy” twirl for a couple of seconds. The room of about 200, including Cabinet secretaries, tittered with laughter. Ali, who was then escorted back to his chair, made the twirl again while sitting down.

    And the president looked visibly taken aback, laughing nervously. Was Ali making a political statement?

    Awarding of the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Muhammad Ali gratuitously celebrated a man profoundly opposed to Bush’s own, his party’s, and the country’s principles. It represents, I submit, the nadir of his presidency.
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    What has Islam done to Cassius Clay.

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    • dep_violator
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      Originally posted by Yaman
      What has Islam done to Cassius Clay.
      Ali, in my opinion had a very, very weak character. He couldn;t handle success, he couldn;t handle his urges, and most of all, he couldn't stick to his beliefs on a moderate way.

      He had numerous affairs. Abandoned several wives in exchange of younger ones. He was a cheap braggart. He avoided service duty just because it was expedient to do so. He abandoned friends when it seems convinience would not serve him best.

      On the other hand, Bush himself is no better. He's even worse.

      Bush is an American coward. A spoiled brat. A man without vision. And worst of all, a warmonger.

      Coward because in his youth, when Bush was about to be drafted, he too avoided service duty by pulling some influential strings and instead of serving abroad, he MIRACULOUSLY got transferred as home guard. What would be the odds of that.

      Spoiled brat because, seeing all the images he injects on the media as a tough no-nonsense guy when deep inside, he's a rascist, xenophobic brat who's more than willing to talk the talk yet he himself can't walk the walk.

      On a personal basis, Bush is worse. At least Ali was a heavyweight champ.

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      • Southpaw Stinger
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        Ali was a puppet in his youth. He was easily influenced and led astray and mainly did what other people told him too. But this doesn't mean he was weak. Ali tried to be a good American citizen but they wouldn't even let the new olympic gold medalist eat in a resteraunt because he was seen as just another ******!

        It was the American establishment and people that drove Ali to the Nation of Islam, because there Ali felt like he was important and that he was respected.

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          #5
          Originally posted by dep_violator
          Ali, in my opinion had a very, very weak character. He couldn;t handle success, he couldn;t handle his urges, and most of all, he couldn't stick to his beliefs on a moderate way.

          He had numerous affairs. Abandoned several wives in exchange of younger ones. He was a cheap braggart. He avoided service duty just because it was expedient to do so. He abandoned friends when it seems convinience would not serve him best.

          On the other hand, Bush himself is no better. He's even worse.

          Bush is an American coward. A spoiled brat. A man without vision. And worst of all, a warmonger.

          Coward because in his youth, when Bush was about to be drafted, he too avoided service duty by pulling some influential strings and instead of serving abroad, he MIRACULOUSLY got transferred as home guard. What would be the odds of that.

          Spoiled brat because, seeing all the images he injects on the media as a tough no-nonsense guy when deep inside, he's a rascist, xenophobic brat who's more than willing to talk the talk yet he himself can't walk the walk.

          On a personal basis, Bush is worse. At least Ali was a heavyweight champ.
          keep this up! you don't sound like a moron here!

          on the subject - ali had his faults very well documented ... bush giving him the medal dilutes it immensely. cong**** to ali on the medal, saved himself from being killed in a war that in my eyes had no meaning. good for him.
          Last edited by baya; 01-30-2006, 02:40 PM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by baya
            keep this up! you don't sound like a moron here!
            Thanks.

            And you don't sound like a pig's fart.

            Better give pertinent arguments first pig face.

            Keep it up.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Southpaw Stinger
              Ali was a puppet in his youth. He was easily influenced and led astray and mainly did what other people told him too. But this doesn't mean he was weak. Ali tried to be a good American citizen but they wouldn't even let the new olympic gold medalist eat in a resteraunt because he was seen as just another ******!

              It was the American establishment and people that drove Ali to the Nation of Islam, because there Ali felt like he was important and that he was respected.
              Joining the Nation of Islam, which is a mob-like radical group was just damn ****** for Ali. it proves he lacks what it takes to survive real life pressures.

              Also, one of his greatest weakness, his ego, drove him to join that radical group. The outcome of his life is so self-explanatory and a warning to those who are given the chance to be great.

              Of course rascism exist in the U.S. at that time, it still exists today. But it doesn't mean that you'll give in to the pressure like Ali did. The NOI manipulated him as its prized throphy, and ALi was simply more than happy to play the part.

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                Originally posted by dep_violator
                Ali, in my opinion had a very, very weak character. He couldn;t handle success, he couldn;t handle his urges, and most of all, he couldn't stick to his beliefs on a moderate way.

                He had numerous affairs. Abandoned several wives in exchange of younger ones. He was a cheap braggart. He avoided service duty just because it was expedient to do so. He abandoned friends when it seems convinience would not serve him best.

                On the other hand, Bush himself is no better. He's even worse.

                Bush is an American coward. A spoiled brat. A man without vision. And worst of all, a warmonger.

                Coward because in his youth, when Bush was about to be drafted, he too avoided service duty by pulling some influential strings and instead of serving abroad, he MIRACULOUSLY got transferred as home guard. What would be the odds of that.

                Spoiled brat because, seeing all the images he injects on the media as a tough no-nonsense guy when deep inside, he's a rascist, xenophobic brat who's more than willing to talk the talk yet he himself can't walk the walk.

                On a personal basis, Bush is worse. At least Ali was a heavyweight champ.

                What you say in not politically correct but one of the most articulate, truthful messages I've seen on this board. Ali was weak of character. He was in fact a draft dodging coward. If he was a man of principle he would have left America and never profited from its Capitalistic system. He had no problem reaping the rewards and $$$ of others sacrifices though. He was a racist of the worst proportions. He tormented and terrorized Joe Frazier calling him an "Uncle Tom and a monkey" before they fought. When I think of this it makes me mad bt then I laugh because I think of an interview Frazier had. The person interviewing him said " How did it feel to lose 2 of 3 to Ali", Joe grinned and said " Sir, look at Ali now and look at me and then tell me who really won those fights". Ali joined forces with a militant, racist, hateful Organization disguised in the form of peace. Islam was founded by a womanizing militant, why would a more militant faction of it be any better? I'm glad when I see people like Frazier and Foreman doing well and living fruitful ,healthy lives. It lets me know there is some justice in this world. And as for Bush yes he is a draft dodging, ex-******* using pansy. I look at it this way. Bush's father and Colin Powell are two men of class and honor. Both of these men HATE war. They both looked for every possible way to avoid it. Is it a coincidence that they have more military experience than any of the chicken \hawk neo-con draft dodgers in this current Administraqtion.. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill Oreilly= All tough guys as long as its someone elses child securing Fallejah. Just dont ask them what happened to them when they had the opportunity to serve. ****in hypocritical bastards!!

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                • jabsRstiff
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                  Difference....

                  Ali, while flawed....was never elected to run the most powerful nation in the world. His flaws, truthfully, meant nothing.
                  Bush's flaws = an atrocity.

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                  • dep_violator
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                    Originally posted by aps214
                    What you say in not politically correct but one of the most articulate, truthful messages I've seen on this board. Ali was weak of character. He was in fact a draft dodging coward. If he was a man of principle he would have left America and never profited from its Capitalistic system. He had no problem reaping the rewards and $$$ of others sacrifices though. He was a racist of the worst proportions. He tormented and terrorized Joe Frazier calling him an "Uncle Tom and a monkey" before they fought. When I think of this it makes me mad bt then I laugh because I think of an interview Frazier had. The person interviewing him said " How did it feel to lose 2 of 3 to Ali", Joe grinned and said " Sir, look at Ali now and look at me and then tell me who really won those fights". Ali joined forces with a militant, racist, hateful Organization disguised in the form of peace. Islam was founded by a womanizing militant, why would a more militant faction of it be any better? I'm glad when I see people like Frazier and Foreman doing well and living fruitful ,healthy lives. It lets me know there is some justice in this world. And as for Bush yes he is a draft dodging, ex-******* using pansy. I look at it this way. Bush's father and Colin Powell are two men of class and honor. Both of these men HATE war. They both looked for every possible way to avoid it. Is it a coincidence that they have more military experience than any of the chicken \hawk neo-con draft dodgers in this current Administraqtion.. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill Oreilly= All tough guys as long as its someone elses child securing Fallejah. Just dont ask them what happened to them when they had the opportunity to serve. ****in hypocritical bastards!!
                    Yes it is not politically correct. But politics itself doesn't have much of a standard when it comes to decency, only expediency.

                    As I've said, the outcome of Ali's life is a warning to all those who have been given a chance to be great. He was given a chance to be great and he wasted it on bragging, womanizing, abandoning his family, and steering towards extreme radicals. His ego drove him to the NOI. His pride prevented him from stopping being used as a puppet. And in the end looking at both Foreman and Frazier, one can only see the results. Foreman is a family man and he's probably a happy grandpa with lots and lots of grandchildren and he's enjoying his old age. I don't know much about Frazier but he's clearly well-off. Ali on the other hand... is owned for life. Sad as it may seem.

                    On Bush the coward. I really, really find it funny that those braggarts who talk of war and macho displays of pretended courage, they're the ones who's cowards.

                    While those guys who have seen death in the face, have expericnced the sight of buddies dying on their arms, who have experienced it, they're the ones who are moderate and very, very patient and etremely controlled in their emotions. I really find it funny.

                    Kerry could have been the best president U.S. would have had in a long time. Imagine a soldier who got wounded several times during frontline combat, has numerous citations, and is undeniably courageous, man! That guy is a practically an all-american hero. And yet they dissed him for the coward. Also Kerry have always had this reputation of being extremly moderate and extremely slow to decide on matters involving military action and would prefer international comity rather than unilateral force. Maybe that's why they mistake him for a weak leader, which is off course ******.

                    Credit the U.S. populace for choosing the coward and dissing the hero.
                    Last edited by dep_violator; 01-30-2006, 03:13 PM.

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