This article completely kills the whole "Boxing is Dead" saying

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  • shadeyfizzle
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    #11
    Originally posted by TR vs. GB
    You can argue the same for every sport just replace boxers with teams. A lot of Boxers have a big fan base it is just regional.

    Mexico- Chavez Jr., Alvarez, Morales, Arce, Juan Manuel Marquez and many others

    Japan-Kameda bros, Kazuto Ioka, Toshiaki Nishioka

    Germany- Klitschko brothers, Felix Sturm, Arthur Abraham, Robert Stieglitz

    Philippines- Manny Pacquiao, Nonito Donaire, Mercito Gesta, Gerry Penalosa

    Any individual sport is going to have just a select few enjoy enormous success because that is the point of individual sports no teammates. Golf is the same.
    The top 100 of any other individual sport's income is going to be relatively proportional to rhe ranking. Not so in boxing.

    In golf a golfer can finish an event 52nd and still take home more than elite fighters like calderon or chris john have ever made in any given fight.

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      #12
      Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
      The top 100 of any other individual sport's income is going to be relatively proportional to rhe ranking. Not so in boxing.

      In golf a golfer can finish an event 52nd and still take home more than elite fighters like calderon or chris john have ever made in any given fight.
      Because Boxing is much more of an entrepreneur sport unlike any other. This is a very good video discussion of Boxing that I think explains a lot of what we have talked about in this thread.

      Although Boxing and Golf are both individual sports they have polar opposite participants. Boxing is a poor mans game.

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        #13
        Originally posted by TR vs. GB
        Because Boxing is much more of an entrepreneur sport unlike any other. This is a very good video discussion of Boxing that I think explains a lot of what we have talked about in this thread.

        Although Boxing and Golf are both individual sports they have polar opposite participants. Boxing is a poor mans game.
        Rich man, poor man's game is irrelevant. Point is if the fighters in the opening article are truly representative of the success of boxing as a sport then similarly ranked fighters should enjoy similarly proportional success but its just not the case. Even within the same division. Amir khan for example would be able to draw close to 100,000 people in england while tim bradley would be lucky to sell 2 and a half tickets in his hometown even though they enjoy the same level of professional success.

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          #14
          Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
          Rich man, poor man's game is irrelevant. Point is if the fighters in the opening article are truly representative of the success of boxing as a sport then similarly ranked fighters should enjoy similarly proportional success but its just not the case. Even within the same division. Amir khan for example would be able to draw close to 100,000 people in england while tim bradley would be lucky to sell 2 and a half tickets in his hometown even though they enjoy the same level of professional success.
          That is exactly feeding into my point. Amir Khan has been very entreprenural in building up his fanbase while Bradley has not and therefore remains relatively unknown for now considering once he fights Pacquiao everybody will know him.

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            #15
            Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
            Rich man, poor man's game is irrelevant. Point is if the fighters in the opening article are truly representative of the success of boxing as a sport then similarly ranked fighters should enjoy similarly proportional success but its just not the case. Even within the same division. Amir khan for example would be able to draw close to 100,000 people in england while tim bradley would be lucky to sell 2 and a half tickets in his hometown even though they enjoy the same level of professional success.
            Boxing doesn't work like that, income is proportional to popularity not rankings. Doesn't change the fact that boxing is one of the most popular sports in the world which is the point of this thread.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Hopkins
              Boxing is dead now though compare to before, it is what it is

              examples ok?

              Hagler Hearns ? in 85

              MADE THE FRONT PAGE of at least half the major newspapers in the states. My uncle from the US even saved the Philadelphia news the day after the fight and it was all over the front pages

              Mayweather Cotto will be lucky if they even get a section


              Ali Frazier. the world stopped to watch and talk about them. School kids everyone

              Benn Eubank in the UK was like 3 superbowls put together

              Ali Foreman had an entire continent chanting.

              Sugar Ray Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Hagler were not boxing matches

              they were events


              These days are over. Will they come again? Yes because that is how boxing usually is

              it goes up it goes down etc

              but it sure as hell aint the way it was now
              Pacquiao/Marquez III was the most watched fight in Mexican tv history with 43.2 million viewers.

              De la hoya vs. Mayweather was the biggest PPV Event of all-time with 2.48 million PPV buys grossing over $123 million.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Light_Speed
                Boxing doesn't work like that, income is proportional to popularity not rankings. Doesn't change the fact that boxing is one of the most popular sports in the world which is the point of this thread.
                Thank you

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Hopkins
                  Boxing is dead now though compare to before, it is what it is

                  examples ok?

                  Hagler Hearns ? in 85

                  MADE THE FRONT PAGE of at least half the major newspapers in the states. My uncle from the US even saved the Philadelphia news the day after the fight and it was all over the front pages

                  Mayweather Cotto will be lucky if they even get a section


                  Ali Frazier. the world stopped to watch and talk about them. School kids everyone

                  Benn Eubank in the UK was like 3 superbowls put together

                  Ali Foreman had an entire continent chanting.

                  Sugar Ray Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Hagler were not boxing matches

                  they were events


                  These days are over. Will they come again? Yes because that is how boxing usually is

                  it goes up it goes down etc

                  but it sure as hell aint the way it was now
                  mayweather/pacquiao can reach that level

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Light_Speed
                    Boxing doesn't work like that, income is proportional to popularity not rankings. Doesn't change the fact that boxing is one of the most popular sports in the world which is the point of this thread.
                    one of the most popular sports in the world based on what exactly??? The success of a select few??? Like I said originally....you're talking about less than 1% of the athletes within a sport and using them as a representation of the sport as a whole. So what if floyd and pac set ratings records??? One could just as easily point out any number of fighters that struggle to fill high school gyms despite being a world champion as proof that boxing is dying.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
                      one of the most popular sports in the world based on what exactly??? The success of a select few??? Like I said originally....you're talking about less than 1% of the athletes within a sport and using them as a representation of the sport as a whole. So what if floyd and pac set ratings records??? One could just as easily point out any number of fighters that struggle to fill high school gyms despite being a world champion as proof that boxing is dying.
                      But that's because boxing is different than all the other mainstream sports, there can only be a handful of boxing stars in one country at the same time, that's just how it works. As soon as those guys fall off, they're immediately replaced. Name me another sport besides soccer that draws as many people in as many different countries? Boxers sell out arenas in USA, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Canada, UK, Ireland, Japan, Germany, Russia, Philippines, Australia, Thailand, Denmark, Romania, Kazakhstan.

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