Erik Morales getting SHUTOUT by "Zahir Raheem"

[turbotime]

It's blasphemy...

And, for you to be so vague and say that at least one of those guys can be in the top 20. They you word it, you're insinuating that all 3 of those guys have a case to be in the top 20. And, that's just laughable. That's just as check hooks post.

To really believe that either of those guys can be in the top 20. Is not really knowing the history of the sport. Is not really having depth in that area.

FWIW here is my top 20 plus honourables -

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Hank Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ray Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Ben Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Willie Pep
12. Mickey walker
13. Archie Moore
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Rocky Marciano
16. Sam Langford
17. Roy Jones
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Jack Dempsey
20. Joe Gans

Honourables - Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Ike Williams, Barney Ross, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Salvador Sanchez, JC Chavez

[SCtrojansbaby]

Morales was credited for saying he took the fight because " He never fought a "slick" fighter, and wanted to test himself against a new style ". This is what lampley said during the first round, quoting El Terrible.

This fight was evidence that Styles make fights. This is the very reason why when arguing PBF vs Pacman I like to think that PBF has a huge edge - because not fighting against a certain style your entire career even in sparring seriously does make you that much worse against it when it presents itself. But we will never know, and I'm fine with that too.

Dude style had absolutely nothing to do with Morales losing to Raheem. Morales was shot and moving up in weight that is why he lost how can you not see that?

Oh and I think Morales would have a decent chance at beating the ultimate "slick fighter" Floyd at 130. Its probable a 50/50 fight maybe Floyd edges Morales out 6 times out of 10 which says a lot considering Floyd is the naturally bigger fighter.

[Roman Moreno]

lol.......I dont know the history? Ive been around boxing for years. I go to alot of fights. My girl is even deep in boxing.

I insinuated that different people have different opinions and for you to say its blashemy is foolish. Youre probably one of those guys who just hate on everythign in the present while overhyping everything from the past. Its different eras, plain & simple.

Also, we said top 25, not top 20 so stop moving the bar in every conversation. Nice way to come back, by putting someone down who you know nothing about. We have a difference of opinion.

Im not saying that any of those guys are in the top 25. My point is that you cant say that someonee who has one of them in there is an idiot but if you feel that way then thats how you feel. I dont

I don't care what you and American Dream are into.

And, neither of those guys are top 25. And, I mean 25, Turbo just shocked me with saying he had Roy in the top 20.

But, neither of those guys are 25. The history is too deep. And, if you think Floyd, B-Hop, and Roy that either or all 3 have a case. Then no, you don't know enough about the history of the sport. It is too deep too long for either of those guys. Top 50 yes they are, top 40 sure I can see that, top 30, No and the only one who comes close that maybe be able to get in the top 30 out of those 3 maybe...It's Roy Jones, that's it. Floyd and B-Hop are not top 30.

[intoccabile]

Dude style had absolutely nothing to do with Morales losing to Raheem. Morales was shot and moving up in weight that is why he lost how can you not see that?

Oh and I think Morales would have a decent chance at beating the ultimate "slick fighter" Floyd at 130. Its probable a 50/50 fight maybe Floyd edges Morales out 6 times out of 10 which says a lot considering Floyd is the naturally bigger fighter.

Style had EVERYTHING to do with it man, are you kidding me? Shot? He was only 6 months removed from DEFEATING pacman. How is he shot there? He had JUST beaten manny 6 months prior.

Style had everything to do with it. Zahir gave him looks he never saw before. From blading himself, to feinting with gloves at the knees, to countering off rolls and leading with his straight. Everything was brand new to him beause he'd fought fighters that had similar styles to his own his entire career.

[Roman Moreno]

FWIW here is my top 20 plus honourables -

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Hank Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ray Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Ben Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Willie Pep
12. Mickey walker
13. Archie Moore
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Rocky Marciano
16. Sam Langford
17. Roy Jones
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Jack Dempsey
20. Joe Gans

Honourables - Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Ike Williams, Barney Ross, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Salvador Sanchez, JC Chavez

In that order?

I think Ezzard Charles is easily a top 10, I have him in my top 5. Monzon, Ross, Tunney are easily greater than Roy. I think Pernell Whitaker is greater than Roy. His resume and accomplishments surpasses Roy.

I disagree with Marciano and Dempsey being in the top 20 too. There is also Canzoneri, McClarnin, Saddler, Fitzsimmon, the BMR duo of Burley and Williams. All these dudes should be rank ahead of Roy.

[SCtrojansbaby]

I don't care what you and American Dream are into.

And, neither of those guys are top 25. And, I mean 25, Turbo just shocked me with saying he had Roy in the top 20.

But, neither of those guys are 25. The history is too deep. And, if you think Floyd, B-Hop, and Roy that either or all 3 have a case. Then no, you don't know enough about the history of the sport. It is too deep too long for either of those guys. Top 50 yes they are, top 40 sure I can see that, top 30, No and the only one who comes close that maybe be able to get in the top 30 out of those 3 maybe...It's Roy Jones, that's it. Floyd and B-Hop are not top 30.

Meh how people compare Sugar Ray Robinson on FIVE freaking fights to Roy Jones who you have seen FIFTY fights is beyond me. Compare Ray Robinson to the other guys of that time and compare modern fighters with modern fighters.

Oh and on a side note LMFAO at Pernell Whitaker's resume even being in the same universe as Roy's. Roy's 3rd best win is better than Whitaker's #1 win.

[DLT]

I don't care what you and American Dream are into.

And, neither of those guys are top 25. And, I mean 25, Turbo just shocked me with saying he had Roy in the top 20.

But, neither of those guys are 25. The history is too deep. And, if you think Floyd, B-Hop, and Roy that either or all 3 have a case. Then no, you don't know enough about the history of the sport. It is too deep too long for either of those guys. Top 50 yes they are, top 40 sure I can see that, top 30, No and the only one who comes close that maybe be able to get in the top 30 out of those 3 maybe...It's Roy Jones, that's it. Floyd and B-Hop are not top 30.

so maybe RJ can be top 33 in your eyes but anyone who has him at 25 is an idiot? If you dont care what me an Dream are into then why are you bringing up the name? My point is I know boxing just as much if not more than you do so dont judge someone that you know absolutely nothing about

[Roman Moreno]

so maybe RJ can be top 33 in your eyes but anyone who has him at 25 is an idiot? If you dont care what me an Dream are into then why are you bringing up the name? My point is I know boxing just as much if not more than you do so dont judge someone that you know absolutely nothing about

You the one who mentioned your girl. I didn't bring her up. You the one who replied to my first. I never start off a conversation with you. Because, you barely on a level higher than yesir, HESZWHERWHATEVERHISNAMEIS, brother Jay. A level below of Turbo. This is why I don't start of a convo with you. Because, you do not know as much as you think you do.

And, yes because Roy being top 33 is already a stretch, it's already giving him the benefit of every doubt, just doing it more so cuz' of his skills and talent in his prime then his actual resume.

To say he is top 25 is skippin him over guys who have just deeper resumes who are greater.

[turbotime]

In that order?

I think Ezzard Charles is easily a top 10, I have him in my top 5. Monzon, Ross, Tunney are easily greater than Roy. I think Pernell Whitaker is greater than Roy. His resume and accomplishments surpasses Roy.

I disagree with Marciano and Dempsey being in the top 20 too. There is also Canzoneri, McClarnin, Fitzsimmon, the BMR duo of Burley and Williams. All these dudes should be rank ahead of Roy.

My bad, I DO have Charles in my top 20, I just posted the wrong one. I have him in place of where Dempsey was, I took Dempsey out awhile ago. A top 10? We'll have to disagree on that one. I disagree on Monzon and Tunney being greater than Roy. Tunney has those wins over Dempsey and Greb, sure but Dempsey was fighting for money at that point and he was more of a boxing figure than anything by the time they clashed. I mentioned Monzon who I believe is a definite 25-30 guy. Are you talking Jimmy McClarnin? No way.

[DLT]

You the one who mentioned your girl. I didn't bring her up. You the one who replied to my first. I never start off a conversation with you. Because, you barely on a level higher than yesir, HESZWHERWHATEVERHISNAMEIS, brother Jay. A level below of Turbo. This is why I don't start of a convo with you. Because, you do not know as much as you think you do.

And, yes because Roy being top 33 is already a stretch, it's already giving him the benefit of every doubt, just doing it more so cuz' of his skills and talent in his prime then his actual resume.

To say he is top 25 is skippin him over guys who have just deeper resumes who are greater.

shut your ho ass up. Everyone knows you and thinks your a clown who looks down on everyone who post. Youre not smarter then anyone. You aint ****. You sound like a petty snob in all of your post. Just like Pac is this highly skilled fighter, right? Then you changed up like a dumbass.

Your opinion isnt any better than anyone else on the site and when you get down off your high horse, maybe thats when you will become a credible poster. Not just some piss ass that has a sarcastic response to everyone because you think youre better or smarter then them when youre not. Point blank, period