Arum rejects Martinez vs Chavez Jr

[Kagami Taiga]

It's a bunch nonsense from Gabe side.

But, apparently VADA testing procedures are more thorough, I guess they test more often, are more open to reveal the test outcome than USADA/WADA is and VADA test for some things that USADA/WADA don't. He fave me a name of a drug that USADA/WADA doesn't test for but VADA does. I forgot what it was called though. Let me see if I can find the name.

sounds hypocritical to me. even if that were true and i dont deny it is, vada was created in 2011. floyd was talking about ost in 2009, thats 2 years. when floyd bought it up, for whatever his reasons were, usada was the best thing out. its kinda hard to penalize him for something better coming out a few years later. and if he says its floyd's testing and floyd somehow controls it, if im correct, victor conte is a major player in vada and he works with some of the athletes who use the system so those athletes arent exactly disinterested themselves. really sounds like a bunch of ridiculous bull to me.

[Light_Speed]

Gifts? that's when your credibility falls short, tell me when Molina dominated Chavez, Julio was outworking him all the fight

And you didn't watch the Vanda fights you are just a blind hater, Julio just got tired at the end of the first fight, and dominated Vanda in the second

Zbik and Marco Antonio Rubio can beat Canelo, hell even Alfonso Gomez was taxing that ass, until the ref stop it quick

Why do you think Jr gave Molina a rematch if the decision wasn't controversial? LOL mexican fans were throwing **** in the ring after they heard the decision in the first Vanda fight. Were they hating too?

[kiaba360]

lets list all the fights bob arum is preventing

This would make a good thread. Every TR fight that doesn't get made, he's usually one of the reasons why.

[Roman Moreno]

sounds hypocritical to me. even if that were true and i dont deny it is, vada was created in 2011. floyd was talking about ost in 2009, thats 2 years. when floyd bought it up, for whatever his reasons were, usada was the best thing out. its kinda hard to penalize him for something better coming out a few years later. and if he says its floyd's testing and floyd somehow controls it, if im correct, victor conte is a major player in vada and he works with some of the athletes who use the system so those athletes arent exactly disinterested themselves. really sounds like a bunch of ridiculous bull to me.

I don't disagree. I have had that discussion with him. Especially when he calls it "Floyd testing" It's clear what he is trying to imply when he calls it as such.

Another reason why he tries to big up VADA is because he has a solid relationship with Victor Conte. He can go to Conte with interviews on the subject.

So since Conte advocates it must be great and therefor better than USADA/WADA.

@Gabriel_Montoya Considering Marion Jones was tested over 150 times and never tested positive under Olympic testing, is "OST" the answer? Or is it VADA?

Some of the stuff he writes on his twitter. To downgrade USADA/WADA("Floyd testing" as he calls it) and upgrade VADA.

[big_james10]

According to ESPN Deportes, Sampson Lewkovicz (Martinez's promoter) said that Arum decided to cancel the negotiations for a fight between Chavez Jr and Martinez. Martinez was pushing for a fight during September in Las Vegas, but Lewkovicz said that arum decided to unilaterally cancel all the negotiations.

Here is the source but it's in spanish:

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...box&type=story

This is not surprising. Arum did the same thing when Richard Schafer tried to negotiate a fight between Mayweather and Pacquaio a few months ago. But, P.actards will still believe Arum and claim Martinez is ducking Chavez.

[Daddy T]

this division is really showing up the worst of boxing politics lately. There's plenty of decent fights to be made but instead you got paper champion Sturm hiding out in Germany getting gift decisions, paper champion chavez refusing to fight, sanctioning bodies that don't know what the feck is going on ....

[TaurusJ27]

Promoters are a pain.

[Kagami Taiga]

this division is really showing up the worst of boxing politics lately. There's plenty of decent fights to be made but instead you got paper champion Sturm hiding out in Germany getting gift decisions, paper champion chavez refusing to fight, sanctioning bodies that don't know what the feck is going on ....

thats why, to me, its one of the worst divisions in boxing. its a ****ty division plain and simple.

[WESS]

Bob protecting Chavez jr much like he's been protecting pac for years now.

Bob has an agenda and certain fighters like Mayweather and Martinez are not on it...

[big_james10]

lets list all the fights bob arum is preventing

Excellent idea. A few come to mind:

Mayweather/Pacquaio
Martinez/Chavez
Gamboa/Lopez