Greater Fighter: Calzaghe or Morales

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  • TOBYLEE1
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    Hopkins, Lacy and Kessler were two prime fighters that Joe fought.

    Morales fought Barrera, Kelly, Junior Jones, Mccollough, Ayala, stopped Zaragoza and beat a prime Pac just to metion a few prime fighters that he fought and beat.

    Got to go with Morales

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      • turbotime
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        #22
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        He was the favourite against both Hopkins and Kessler. So how was he supposed to lose?

        And why are you surprised at that?
        By what margins? A ton of people were picking Hopkins, and Kessler, and Lacy. He was supposed to get KTFO by Lacy.

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          • turbotime
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            #23
            Originally posted by TOBYLEE1
            Hopkins, Lacy and Kessler were two prime fighters that Joe fought.

            Morales fought Barrera, Kelly, Junior Jones, Mccollough, Ayala, stopped Zaragoza and beat a prime Pac just to metion a few prime fighters that he fought and beat.

            Got to go with Morales
            Kelly, Zaragoza, Ayala were prime?

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              • daggum
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                #24
                was morales undefeated?
                did morales have 21 title defenses?
                did morales ever beat anyone as insanely good and dangerous as jeff lacy? no.

                case closed. calzaghe wins.

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                  • lx!!
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                    #25
                    El terrible way better by far end of story.

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                      • talip bin osman
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                        #26
                        erik has had a steadier dose of prime, tougher fighters faced and beat... thats what matters...

                        anyway here are some links to give everybody a better grasp of things regarding this matter...

                        for calzaghe:

                        Measured Against All Time - Joe Calzaghe
                        http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-against-all-time-joe-calzaghe--16920
                        By Cliff Rold - It shouldn’t matter, but it did. Logic said Joe Calzaghe, while only three years younger, had too much in the tank to be troubled much by a man who still looks like Roy Jones Jr. (52-5, 38 KO) but doesn’t fight much like him anymore. Boxing though is a sport where passions and memories run deep and seeing is believing. Beating big names is often as important as beating better challenges without them. The nature of Calzaghe’s win over Jones, sans logic, is forcing tons of conversation about his place in history which really made just as much sense a week ago.


                        for morales:

                        Measured Against All Time: Erik Morales
                        http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-against-all-time-erik-morales--30777
                        By Cliff Rold - “El Terribleeeee…” When Michael Buffer, or any other ring announcer, extended the “e” at the end of Erik Morales’s nickname in pre-fight introductions, it was enough to raise the pulse of anyone watching. Goosebumps might creep onto the forearms. Erik Morales was fighting and that meant, almost always, that one was about to see a FIGHT. Twice over the years it meant the Fight of the Year. At least a half dozen other times, it meant a solid runner up. That level might not be attainable any more given with the ravages of time and age, but the goosebumps remain. To limited fanfare, after almost three years out of the ring, Morales is on the comeback trail. In March, he returned in a crowd-pleasing scrap with Jose Alfaro. This Saturday, he’ll face Willie Limond (33-2, 8 KO) of Scotland. They aren’t names on par with Morales’s best foes of the past, but his presence still means fight and Limond will know he was in one Sunday morning. Let the debate rage about whether or not Morales, at 34, has much to gain by continuing or should be continuing at all. It’s enough to assume the best Morales gone, to feel safe in reflecting on how the best Morales should be regarded. With titles in three weights classes and wins against some of the best of the 1990’s and 2000’s, the question is asked:

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                          • #CaneloKhan
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                            Morales hands down, How dare you compare him to this Fluke

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                                #28
                                This is an insult to Morales to even put em in the same sentence.

                                The man reigned terror in the lower weight classes for well over a decade. Fought the who's who and beat everyone even after he was shot pulling one more out of his rabbit hat with that pacquiao win.

                                Morales is an Elite top fighter of all time in a division neck deep with incredible elite, young talent, and he came out on top.

                                Calzaghe was good.. but lets be honest he didn't have the kind of talent pool there.

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                                  • Ragnar Lothbrok
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                                    #29
                                    Morales by more than a country mile.

                                    Calzaghe will never live down the fact that he took on roy and bernard when they were in their 40s yet his entire career he didnt take a chance to move up or down in weight to face them in their prime.

                                    What looks even worse is not only did calzaghe decide to fight roy and hop when they were in their 40s but they managed to drop calzaghe. imagine if they fought in their prime.

                                    Another unforgettable calzaghe crime? Retiring when 168 started getting great with froch, ward, dirrell, bute, abraham.

                                    Unforgivable.

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                                      • Alec900
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                                        #30
                                        Morales...

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