How different would matches be if weigh-ins were all conducted on fight night?

[bdawg56kg]

Easy solution to that.....Dont Dehydrate! Come into the fight at you're optimal healthy fighting weight without having to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to manipulate your weightclass and give yourself an advantage against a much smaller opponent.

if for example the nsac or wba (don't really know who sets the rules) changes weigh ins to be same day as fight and fighters start dying and getting brain damaged, how do you think it reflects on them? do you think they have no pressure to change the system to avoid these problems?

just because fighters should do something doesn't mean they necessarily will. boxing is a super competitive sport and fighters will always be pushing the limits. in a perfect world i'd agree with you, but this world isn't so cut and dry.

[Yogi007]

if for example the nsac or wba (don't really know who sets the rules) changes weigh ins to be same day as fight and fighters start dying and getting brain damaged, how do you think it reflects on them? do you think they have no pressure to change the system to avoid these problems?

just because fighters should do something doesn't mean they necessarily will. boxing is a super competitive sport and fighters will always be pushing the limits. in a perfect world i'd agree with you, but this world isn't so cut and dry.

There is the other side of the coin. With a day before weigh in, you may have a Super Middle weight that can dehydrate themselves down Welterweight limit. The person they are fighting might only be able to dehydrate from junior middleweight down to welterweight, putting them at a huge weight disadvantage. They could have the same skills but the naturally bigger person could easily be able to hit much harder and take a better punch and that could put the smaller person at risk of taking some serious injuries. I would rather have it so if fighters that dehydrate themselves, they are the one they are putting at risk and not others.

Maybe having 2 weigh ins might be better. A day before weigh in that would allow them to make weight weight and a same day that they would only be allowed to gain so many pounds.

[S H A R K B O Y]

It would force a lot of fighters to fight at a more natural weight.

[straightleft]

Honestly, a very skillful, great boxer, will beat the bigger less skilled, defensively flawed man no matter what.

So it doesn't matter to me.

Weight being used in a fight to claim why the win was so great[Pac vs Margarito], is just BS. Who cares if a punching bag weighs 50 more lbs than you? Is a punching bag really a threat because it weighs a lot more than you? A punching bag is just gonna hang there so you can tee of on it, it's harmless.

Put Floyd in with a 180lb punching bag like Chavez Jr, while Floyd just weighs 150lbs..Floyd would shut out Chavez Jr and probably force a stoppage from how badly he'd beat him.

Weight is not an issue for me. When I use to weigh 140lbs, I would spar guys who were 170-180lbs, it didn't matter to me because I was better than them and I knew I was better than them. When you know you're good and you're the best, you shouldn't care about weight.

What you should care about is style. I would not fight a 170-180lbs guy who knows how to move around, has very good handspeed and boxing ability, he would kick my ass. But when it's just come forward fighters who are there to be hit and are slow as hell, I don't care about weight honestly i'd even go up to 190lbs.

Weights don't make fights, Styles make fights.

p4p if all the things are equal, 154 fighter will always punches harder than 147 fighter. Skilled 147 fighter vs hard hitter 147 fighter < skilled 147 fighter vs hard hitter 154 fighter. The hard hitter 154 fighter has the higher chance to land something big that may put the much skilled 147 fighter to sleep.

[Funky_Monk]

It's one of the major progressive steps in safety to have had the weigh in moved from fight day to prior. There have been far less serious injuries since this has been adopted.

That said there has been an increase in boiling down and blowing up. Dehydration is far more dangerous than fighting a bigger fighter.

The british board has increased check weight weigh ins I believe.

It's probably about time a second weigh in was introduced though.

[Brother Jay]

p4p if all the things are equal, 154 fighter will always punches harder than 147 fighter. Skilled 147 fighter vs hard hitter 147 fighter < skilled 147 fighter vs hard hitter 154 fighter. The hard hitter 154 fighter has the higher chance to land something big that may put the much skilled 147 fighter to sleep.

Your argument doesn't gel right simply because its starts off with the impossible premise of "if all things were equal".

For all things to be equal, it would be the 147lb version of the fighter vs the 154lb version of the same fighter.

The only thing that makes a match viable is that there are differences in the variables.

Even using the P4P term doesn't make all things equal. It just means that the skills could translate to any given weight class without the fighter being encumbered by the effects of cutting or gaining weight.

That said, Tommy Hearns at 147 was punching harder than most guys all the way up to ltHW-cruiserweight.

Kostya Tszyu without a doubt was doing the same. Tszyu was punching harder tha either BHOP or Dawson. Some guys just have dynamite their hands.

I understand what you're saying, but I've met a 120lb guy who was one of those dynamite fisted men. Skinny, tall guy. He was knocking out HW's. It was incredible to see, almost unbelievable, but it was what it was.

[William Blake]

WBC will be moving to same day weigh-ins starting July 1

[Brother Jay]

It's one of the major progressive steps in safety to have had the weigh in moved from fight day to prior. There have been far less serious injuries since this has been adopted.

That said there has been an increase in boiling down and blowing up. Dehydration is far more dangerous than fighting a bigger fighter.

The british board has increased check weight weigh ins I believe.

It's probably about time a second weigh in was introduced though.

I think you're missing the point.

What I'm proposing is that instead of dehydrating, fight at your natural weight.

It makes no sense for there to be a 20lb weight disparity on fight night between to opponents.

If Ortiz' best fight weight is 168, he should be campaigning as a SMW. He could walk around at 168lbs.

Do you know why he won't? Its because he wouldn't be competitive against 168lbers!

This idea would expose a lot of smoke and mirrors.

It wouldn't effect the very best because I believe the very best have the ability to move up and win without playing weight games.

When a fighter's success is predicated on sweating down to make weight only to balloon up 18-20lbs on fight night, its a gross misrepresentation of who the best in a division is. 147 means 147!!!

So if I come in at 147 on fight night and my opponent comes in at 175lbs, is that a fair fight? Lots of fans seem to think so.

And not because of any common sense or logic. Only because its been done this way for so long.

That's no type of justification.

[D4thincarnation]

How different would matches be if weigh-ins were all conducted on fight night?

How competitive would matches be if making weight meant actually weighing the division limit coming into the fight?

Would that dynamic reveal who is good and who is great?

Think about it.

I like my boxing as fair and equal as possible. I hate the handicapping aspect that has become so prominent in the last decade.

If a boxer were to go up to face a 154lb champion, that champion would actually weigh 154lbs in the ring and not come in at 170lbs+ on fight night.

The measure of a boxer's chances and formidability would then lie in his heart, skills, stamina, durability and determination instead of just weight disparities.

A lot of people would be against a move like that because many of their favorite fighters would soon look very beatable. Hardcore and casual fans alike would see what crucial role that weight disparities play in the rating of any given boxer's ability and ranking.

What do forum members think about this matter?

Can't I believe I have to explain it to you (then again it is you), they did have weigh-in on the day of the fight but because boxer used to cut weight and then could not hydrate back up effectively it caused health issues, resulting in brain injuries and even death being much more likely.

So in short it would not be a good idea.

[Brother Jay]

Can't I believe I have to explain it to you (then again it is you), they did have weigh-in on the day of the fight but because boxer used to cut weight and then could not hydrate back up effectively it caused health issues, resulting in brain injuries and even death being much more likely.

So in short it would not be a good idea.

You don't EVER have to explain ANYTHING to me. You're an idiot and this thread is beyond your scope of comprehension.

There are safe ways to implement this idea and the WBC is doing it. They didn't take this move lightly and had experts(doctors, trainers) weigh in on whether the idea would be feasible or not.

The reason that a peasant like you would be against this idea is because the only way anyone you'd support would have a chance is by playing such weight games.

Without the dynamic of dehydrating an opponent, we will all see less and less pacqtard-like fans.

Its spells the end of an era for losers like you.

Enjoy the sunshine while you can.