How different would matches be if weigh-ins were all conducted on fight night?

[Brother Jay]

Damn, you OD'ed man, that's too much of a weight disparity. There's a limit, I do believe that a guy weighing 140s-150s can win against a less skilled, defensively flawed guy who's 170-180.


For example, is it really out of the question for Floyd to come in at 150 and be able to beat a 180lbs Adrien Diaconu, Edison Miranda, Allan Green or Yusaf Mack?

It's not out of the question. In fact, I see no doubt in my mind that Floyd would actually be the favorite to beat all 4 of them. The skill disparity between Floyd and those 4 is way too much, height, size, and reach won't be able to help them.

Well when you write things like:

Honestly, a very skillful, great boxer, will beat the bigger less skilled, defensively flawed man no matter what.

AND ...

Who cares if a punching bag weighs 50 more lbs than you? Is a punching bag really a threat because it weighs a lot more than you? A punching bag is just gonna hang there so you can tee of on it, it's harmless.

AND ...

Weights don't make fights, Styles make fights.

... I've got to make sure that I cover all my bases. I can't know what you really mean when what you wrote led me to exactly how I took it.

Know what I saying?

My responses were in accordance with what you were conveying, my man.

[Brother Jay]

Sorry but this **** is just ******ed!
Fans who have never stepped in the ring and think same day weigh ins are good.

Same day weigh ins are fuc'king dangerous and would cause more deaths in the ring.
People will still cut weight but now they won't recover from the dehydration.
This is the classic arm chair oppinion from dumb fans.
Sorry because same day weigh ins are fuc'king ****** and would cause increase in brain damage and deaths.

You can't even spar dehydrated how the fuc'k are you able to go 12 rounds?
The body have no time to recover.

Trust me there are a lot more fighters you don't realize that cut weight.
Not only these so called huge freaks.

Extremely short sighted!

Then you should compete at a weight that you can maintain.

BHOP does it.

I'm aware of the toll cutting weight takes on a fighter.

However, BHOP is able to maintain his fight weight. Many boxers are able to maintain their fight weight within 5-10lbs.

That along with putting a 5-10lb limit on how much a fighter is allowed to rehydrate would completely expose those fighters who claim to be P4P or HOF, but heavily rely on weight disparities to win.

Making statements like "Those who has never done this and that" doesn't help your cause. I understand the risks involved, but these athletes are being paid millions to be as disciplined as I'm suggesting.

They are being compensated for the risks with a huge reward.

So let's just keep that in perspective.

If you can't make 135, then you shouldn't be fighting at 135.

Why is it in your mind that Floyd Mayweather, a WW, can move up to 150 while Ortiz was able to move up to 168lbs? That was a WW match? Was it even a jrMW or MW match? Ortiz came in as a SMW for a WW fight.

Was that a fair representation of skill .. or did the weight disparity give Ortiz just enough edge to seem more competitive than he really is?

Pontificate as though you more experience than people you have no idea about, but clearly either you don't understand my points, don't know what you're talking about or you have an agenda.

Either way, its cool with me.

[Brother Jay]

you are insanely ******ed


Prime Mike Tyson 216 vs Chris Arreola 250

Who wins
tell me

that's what he was saying. A great smaller man beat up a average bigger man.


Obviously Chavez Jr isn't average, but his theory is correct

I gave up dealing with doing dumb SHlT for Lent. Bothering with an ignorant whiny peasant would be dumb SHlT.

Have a nice day.

[HEZEKYHWH]

How different would matches be if weigh-ins were all conducted on fight night?

How competitive would matches be if making weight meant actually weighing the division limit coming into the fight?

Would that dynamic reveal who is good and who is great?

Think about it.

I like my boxing as fair and equal as possible. I hate the handicapping aspect that has become so prominent in the last decade.

If a boxer were to go up to face a 154lb champion, that champion would actually weigh 154lbs in the ring and not come in at 170lbs+ on fight night.

The measure of a boxer's chances and formidability would then lie in his heart, skills, stamina, durability and determination instead of just weight disparities.

A lot of people would be against a move like that because many of their favorite fighters would soon look very beatable. Hardcore and casual fans alike would see what crucial role that weight disparities play in the rating of any given boxer's ability and ranking.

What do forum members think about this matter?

In all honesty this is the way it should be, or go back to. If you are the 154 pound champion, then the challenger should be meeting him at 154. But since I cant resist, this would take titles away from PAC, and make him non effective. All the weight draining clauses need to go as well. No catchweights IMO... If you cant do the weight, get out of the division, this is the reason we have divisions in the first place.

now for the belt or against the champion, I would have no problem if the challenger couldnt effectively make the limit to challenge for the belt if they were moving up... But we wont get all of this anytime soon.... The WBC is setting a cap now though....

Jose Sulaiman reveals a new WBC rule scheduled to be implemented on July 1st universally. A weigh-in at 9.30am on the day of the fight will permit the fighter a maximum of 10% increase in weight above their specific weight division.
Some quick maths shows that this translates to the following limits with the actual weight limit on the left hand side, and the fight-day maximum weight on the right side.

Division Weight – Division – Maximum Weight On Fight Day
105 – Minimumweight – 115.5
108 – Light flyweight – 118.8
112 – Flyweight – 123.2
115 – Super flyweight – 126.5
118 – Bantamweight – 129.8
122 – Super bantamweight -134.2
126 – Featherweight – 138.6
130 – Super featherweight – 143
135 – Lightweight – 148.5
140 – Super lightweight – 154
147 – Welterweight – 161.7
154 – Super welterweight – 169.4
160 – Middleweight – 176
168 – Super middleweight – 184.8
175 – Light heavyweight – 192.5
200 – Cruiserweight – 220
unlimited – Heavyweight – unlimited

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So its a maximum of 10% of your weight. I wonder how this is gonna be implemented seeing that the tickets and everything would be rendered useless if someone was over the day of the fight by say 11%....

I honestly don't see this being to effective though....

[HEZEKYHWH]

Then you should compete at a weight that you can maintain.

BHOP does it.

I'm aware of the toll cutting weight takes on a fighter.

However, BHOP is able to maintain his fight weight. Many boxers are able to maintain their fight weight within 5-10lbs.

That along with putting a 5-10lb limit on how much a fighter is allowed to rehydrate would completely expose those fighters who claim to be P4P or HOF, but heavily rely on weight disparities to win.

Making statements like "Those who has never done this and that" doesn't help your cause. I understand the risks involved, but these athletes are being paid millions to be as disciplined as I'm suggesting.

They are being compensated for the risks with a huge reward.

So let's just keep that in perspective.

If you can't make 135, then you shouldn't be fighting at 135.

Why is it in your mind that Floyd Mayweather, a WW, can move up to 150 while Ortiz was able to move up to 168lbs? That was a WW match? Was it even a jrMW or MW match? Ortiz came in as a SMW for a WW fight.

Was that a fair representation of skill .. or did the weight disparity give Ortiz just enough edge to seem more competitive than he really is?

Pontificate as though you more experience than people you have no idea about, but clearly either you don't understand my points, don't know what you're talking about or you have an agenda.

Either way, its cool with me.

LMAO.... In all honesty it would expose alot of fighters, and I would welcome it to be honest. Because you should campaign at your true weight limit. you shouldnt be walking around at 169 and trying to fight at 140 or even more in hattons case.... stay disciplined and we would soon afterwards see better fights and more knockouts in all honesty....

It would be all about skill.

I mean you got people like rios killing themselves to make weight and then still missing the weight limit getting stripped. Time to move that ass up, and it would make everyone honest.... And hes still fighting at lightweight!!!!

[Deevel916]

Its a great idea that needs to come back

That way at MW, you'll have MWs fighting and not Chavez at 181

The guys would be evenly sized and we wouldnt have to worry about grossly outweighed opponents.

Your weight class should be the weight you fight at, not the weight you weighed in at 30 hours before hand

Thank you! Many posters here believe that your weight class is your dehyrdated starvation weigh in weight.

[Deevel916]

Sorry but this **** is just ******ed!
Fans who have never stepped in the ring and think same day weigh ins are good.

Same day weigh ins are fuc'king dangerous and would cause more deaths in the ring.
People will still cut weight but now they won't recover from the dehydration.
This is the classic arm chair oppinion from dumb fans.
Sorry because same day weigh ins are fuc'king ****** and would cause increase in brain damage and deaths.

You can't even spar dehydrated how the fuc'k are you able to go 12 rounds?The body have no time to recover.

Trust me there are a lot more fighters you don't realize that cut weight.
Not only these so called huge freaks.

Extremely short sighted!

Easy solution to that.....Dont Dehydrate! Come into the fight at you're optimal healthy fighting weight without having to starve and dehydrate yourself in order to manipulate your weightclass and give yourself an advantage against a much smaller opponent.

[Ring Leader]

the reason they started doing day before fight weigh ins was so that a fighter could recover from dehydrating himself before a fight to make weight. because before fighters would cut water weight the same day and that can bring alot of dangers in the game. hence why they started doing weigh ins a day before the fight so a fighter can recover. either way fighters are going to cut weight its just the nature of the sport

[Blond Beast]

Fighters will always drain and gain as much as possible. Too hard on the system to have to fight on the same night also. If you can "make weight" then you did your part. Its an art in itself. I agree with a few others that weight isnt that important as people think, but it's a tangible thing that we can put a number on, so its fun to talk about. Oscar didnt put on any weight vs Manny, how did it work out for him.... ( JMM iv's his urine after every weigh in )

[Brother Jay]

Fighters will always drain and gain as much as possible. Too hard on the system to have to fight on the same night also. If you can "make weight" then you did your part. Its an art in itself. I agree with a few others that weight isnt that important as people think, but it's a tangible thing that we can put a number on, so its fun to talk about. Oscar didnt put on any weight vs Manny, how did it work out for him.... ( JMM iv's his urine after every weigh in )

I'm glad that you wrote that.

You're point is well taken.

DLH had no business even agreeing to a fight at a weight class he hadn't competed in since 7 years ago.

If Pacquiao couldn't meet DLH where DLH was currently competing, then there shouldn't have been a fight.

DLH weight 168lbs+ when he fought Floyd.

There lies the difference.

Weight disparity was the main factor.

Those who disagree must ask themselves how well DLH would have done against Mayweather if he came in at 145lbs instead of 168lbs+.

The point practically explains itself after that point.