Money has ruined Floyd

[acidity]

All fighters fight for money. If they don't, they should. Even the great warriors of our sport - Ali, Holyfield, Morales, Corrales, etc - were first and foremost making money for themselves, their family.

But Floyd....he's taken this concept to such an extreme level. And it has ruined him, IMHO.

Everything going on right now is just one big cash-out. Listen to him talk. The level of his greed, the way he defines himself by his wealth, the fixation with numbers....

He wants the rewards of boxing, without taking the risks.

You might say that the difference between him and others is that he's just honest about it.

I say the difference is that he's crazy about money to the point where it's distorted his mind.

I mean, name me another fighter who is so hung up on another person's finances like he is Pacquaio. He's doing "homework" on him, FFS. He's been commenting on Manny's money for a few years ago.

He "can't afford to give (Pacquiao) 50/50". When he said that, at that moment, I realised something.

You know how we wonder why Bob Arum, even at 134 years old, still chases the dollar, and will do so until his last dying breath?

It's the sort of mentality us mere mortals can't understand. But that is where Floyd is right now, closer to the Bob Arums of the world than the fighters.

It's just sad.

In any other art form, if someone was as this fixated with money, they would be dismissed and derided, called a sell-out. Imagine Spielberg dismissing Scorese on the basis his films make way less than Spielberg's.

The fight with Miguel....I was kinda looking forward to it, especially as Miguel is one of my fave all-time fighters. Now, I couldn't care less. I can see the mechanics of Floyd's mind in selecting Miguel - past his best, not too risky, but a good fanbase, kerching.

It just all feels really hollow - just a way to top up his balance and maintain his lifestyle.

The guy was gifted with some of the greatest talent ever in this sport......and for the last 5 years, it's more or less been a cash-out. Inactivity, careful selection of opponents.

Sure, he'll go down as a great. And a lot of he bull**** will be forgotten.

But a lot won't.

Not fighting Pacquaio now might seem like the right thing to do now, financially (god knows why but that is what he is saying). But years from now, he's gonna get asked the same question about Pacquaio if it never goes down. And that will hang over his career. And he's gonna regret not taking it.

Money is transient. Greatness.....true greatness, is forever.

green K worthy... thanks for the post

[ellobo]

So many of the casual sports fans I know have gone back to laughing at the sport for Pac/May not being made, as they were curious about wanting to see it.

The fight not being made (and I don't think it's going) is going to be massively, massively damaging for the sport, perhaps the final nail in the coffin that removes us from the mainstream.

That seems like an extreme prediction, but I am right with you on everything else.

[ellobo]

Money is transient therefore you gotta make a lot. You know how many great fighters who were once homeless? There are no charity funds set up for great fighters. Everyone fights for money, it's a JOB just like everybody else who has one - you try to make the most in order to sustain a stable living, ofc Floyd's view of a living is at the most grandiose scale but everything is still relative of course. And if somehow one blows all his money away and laments on not fighting Pacquiao for that last 50mill+ payday that he thinks would've given him a much better life then that's he's own doing.

This isn't the 1960's, everything has changed.. boxing is no exception. Brain trauma related to concussions and pugilistic sports is well-documented now.

And yes, difference is Mayweather is just honest about it, hell are we forgetting the close fall out between the Pac-Hatton negotiations over money? Money is first priority for everyone don't be fooled, and there's absolutely nothing wrong that. And that Speilberg comparison is plain ******, first of all if he did he wouldn't be honest about it and secondly its not a sport where they're constantly being compared with one another.. hell they even make films in totally different genres.

If everything you say its true, then Mayweather will fight for a long time and most likely get KO'd some day and trust me it will hurt him 10000x than it will hurt the fans.

You really think fighters are thinking about their long term healthcare needs? I have a hard time believing that's the motivator.

[Porter's Dad]

That seems like an extreme prediction, but I am right with you on everything else.

That genuinely wasn't even a hyperbolic statement, I truly believe the damage from that fight not happening is going to be felt for a long time. When was the last time casual sport fans were calling for two boxers to get it on?

When is that going to happen again in the future?

That's why Pac/May was so perfect for so many reasons - the stars aligned perfectly; two brilliant fighters, who transcended the sport into the mainstream, same weight class, still in their prime etc.

Just perfect.

The fact that it is not happening is staggering, really. This was going to be the fight that saved boxing.

We're already on the periphery of the sports world.

Pac/May don't define the sport for me, I find the sport (despite all the bull****) to be extraordinary, truly magnificent at its best.

But they define the sport for the casual sporting public.

And their actions define the perception people have of our sport.

[TP6 U Snitch]

All fighters fight for money. If they don't, they should. Even the great warriors of our sport - Ali, Holyfield, Morales, Corrales, etc - were first and foremost making money for themselves, their family.

But Floyd....he's taken this concept to such an extreme level. And it has ruined him, IMHO.

Everything going on right now is just one big cash-out. Listen to him talk. The level of his greed, the way he defines himself by his wealth, the fixation with numbers....

He wants the rewards of boxing, without taking the risks.

You might say that the difference between him and others is that he's just honest about it.

I say the difference is that he's crazy about money to the point where it's distorted his mind.

I mean, name me another fighter who is so hung up on another person's finances like he is Pacquaio. He's doing "homework" on him, FFS. He's been commenting on Manny's money for a few years ago.

He "can't afford to give (Pacquiao) 50/50". When he said that, at that moment, I realised something.

You know how we wonder why Bob Arum, even at 134 years old, still chases the dollar, and will do so until his last dying breath?

It's the sort of mentality us mere mortals can't understand. But that is where Floyd is right now, closer to the Bob Arums of the world than the fighters.

It's just sad.

In any other art form, if someone was as this fixated with money, they would be dismissed and derided, called a sell-out. Imagine Spielberg dismissing Scorese on the basis his films make way less than Spielberg's.

The fight with Miguel....I was kinda looking forward to it, especially as Miguel is one of my fave all-time fighters. Now, I couldn't care less. I can see the mechanics of Floyd's mind in selecting Miguel - past his best, not too risky, but a good fanbase, kerching.

It just all feels really hollow - just a way to top up his balance and maintain his lifestyle.

The guy was gifted with some of the greatest talent ever in this sport......and for the last 5 years, it's more or less been a cash-out. Inactivity, careful selection of opponents.

Sure, he'll go down as a great. And a lot of he bull**** will be forgotten.

But a lot won't.

Not fighting Pacquaio now might seem like the right thing to do now, financially (god knows why but that is what he is saying). But years from now, he's gonna get asked the same question about Pacquaio if it never goes down. And that will hang over his career. And he's gonna regret not taking it.

Money is transient. Greatness.....true greatness, is forever.

"Cool Story Bro, now do us all a favor a give us an individual write up on these fighters, of whom money has also ruined...

Rocky Lockridge

Wilfred Benitez

Leon Spinks

Iran Barkley

Thomas Hearns

Dariusz Michalczewski

Rid**** Bowe

Evander Holyfield................."

The Truck

[Porter's Dad]

"Cool Story Bro, now do us all a favor a give us an individual write up on these fighters, of whom money has also ruined...

Rocky Lockridge

Wilfred Benitez

Leon Spinks

Iran Barkley

Thomas Hearns

Dariusz Michalczewski

Rid**** Bowe

Evander Holyfield................."

The Truck

I'd ask you what they have to do with Floyd Mayweather not wanting to fight Pacquaio - but you're not an actual poster as much as a floating alias who talks nothing but **** on the basis that the internet allows the person typing not to be accountable for said ****.

I only regret I haven't put you on ignore earlier before you sullied my thread.

Ta-ta.

[Pocket Dogs!]

I agree with you 100%. Did you see Floyd's face when Costas starting talking to him about his ********? It's like he was talking as if he had a newborn child or something. Costas unfortunately then talked about Floyd's infamous tweets and Costas schooled him from there.

[boxingfeind]

All fighters fight for money. If they don't, they should. Even the great warriors of our sport - Ali, Holyfield, Morales, Corrales, etc - were first and foremost making money for themselves, their family.

But Floyd....he's taken this concept to such an extreme level. And it has ruined him, IMHO.

Everything going on right now is just one big cash-out. Listen to him talk. The level of his greed, the way he defines himself by his wealth, the fixation with numbers....

He wants the rewards of boxing, without taking the risks.

You might say that the difference between him and others is that he's just honest about it.

I say the difference is that he's crazy about money to the point where it's distorted his mind.

I mean, name me another fighter who is so hung up on another person's finances like he is Pacquaio. He's doing "homework" on him, FFS. He's been commenting on Manny's money for a few years ago.

He "can't afford to give (Pacquiao) 50/50". When he said that, at that moment, I realised something.

You know how we wonder why Bob Arum, even at 134 years old, still chases the dollar, and will do so until his last dying breath?

It's the sort of mentality us mere mortals can't understand. But that is where Floyd is right now, closer to the Bob Arums of the world than the fighters.

It's just sad.

In any other art form, if someone was as this fixated with money, they would be dismissed and derided, called a sell-out. Imagine Spielberg dismissing Scorese on the basis his films make way less than Spielberg's.

The fight with Miguel....I was kinda looking forward to it, especially as Miguel is one of my fave all-time fighters. Now, I couldn't care less. I can see the mechanics of Floyd's mind in selecting Miguel - past his best, not too risky, but a good fanbase, kerching.

It just all feels really hollow - just a way to top up his balance and maintain his lifestyle.

The guy was gifted with some of the greatest talent ever in this sport......and for the last 5 years, it's more or less been a cash-out. Inactivity, careful selection of opponents.

Sure, he'll go down as a great. And a lot of he bull**** will be forgotten.

But a lot won't.

Not fighting Pacquaio now might seem like the right thing to do now, financially (god knows why but that is what he is saying). But years from now, he's gonna get asked the same question about Pacquaio if it never goes down. And that will hang over his career. And he's gonna regret not taking it.

Money is transient. Greatness.....true greatness, is forever.

If you new anything about the boxing business you would know that a boxer/promoter makes more then a boxer who just a boxer.Floyd invests in the fight as a result of being a promoter Manny is not a promoter of his fights so he does`nt invest anything so as a result Manny can`t go 50/50 with Floyd.Floyd is taking the risk investing And Manny is not.Plus Floyd has done better PPV then Manny when it comes to common opponents. Plus Floyd has made more money in boxing then Manny and i don`t count endorsement deals Manny gets.

[ellobo]

That genuinely wasn't even a hyperbolic statement, I truly believe the damage from that fight not happening is going to be felt for a long time. When was the last time casual sport fans were calling for two boxers to get it on?

When is that going to happen again in the future?

That's why Pac/May was so perfect for so many reasons - the stars aligned perfectly; two brilliant fighters, who transcended the sport into the mainstream, same weight class, still in their prime etc.

Just perfect.

The fact that it is not happening is staggering, really. This was going to be the fight that saved boxing.

We're already on the periphery of the sports world.

Pac/May don't define the sport for me, I find the sport (despite all the bull****) to be extraordinary, truly magnificent at its best.

But they define the sport for the casual sporting public.

And their actions define the perception people have of our sport.

You make a good argument here sir.

[AlwaysOnTop]

good post and with some astute observations


boxing is a complex industry. there's a whole lot going on. you can spend years following the sport and still have a lifetime of learning ahead of you.

i've been becoming more fascinated with the fiscal workings of boxing of late. there's just so much going on.

from the perspective of the fan looking for exciting fights and equity in sorting out the divisions the best fighting the best we can certainly agree that not having these big fights is bad thing
on the other hand however we get a small glimpse into the makings of the sport. it is motivated entirely by money.

boxing is as healthy as it is in part because of the posturing over the pacquiao and mayweather fight. both parties have made a hell of a lot more by not fighting than they would have if they fought a few years ago when the fight first got on the table.

the stalling has been good for the sport, in the sense that it makes it money and money is the reason it's around.

i think i'm not 100% in agreement because i think i'm supporting a bit more the business // monetary motivation of the fight not happening
good post anyway, man. per usual



floyd feels a compulsion for bringing in money far beyond most. he's a serious gambler, a big time spender, etc.

if anybody can go broke with a bankroll like his it's him. i do hope that he makes the best decisions he can for his family with his money

Do you know Floyd personally??

If not...that shi.t was just ******..

Worry about your own lil stack....you'll be broke long before Mayweather.