But Who Are The Worst Hv Champs

[THE REAL NINJA]

It has to be compared with other champions and James Buster Douglas wins easy as the worst. He had one title defence and was blown away and never did anything after that ( or much before winning the title despite beating Tyson ).
Carnera achieved more than Douglas, not much more but more non the less. So he can't be the worst. Botha could be the worst but he shouldn't be on the list as his win over Schulz was changed to a no contest!

you are right about Botha thank god for that.....but how do i delete his name off the poll ?

[j]

yeah, tommy burns is quite a plausible pick. it might happen to seem a bit more plausible because he was ducking johnson for a couple of years and then got whipped when he eventually stopped running.

vitali shouldn't even be mentioned. why? because he had the wbo belt, and defended it 4 times, then had worked to get a spot for the wbc belt and defended against a top ten ranked opponent. overall, might i add because so many people certainly do not have a lot of info on fighters they criticize, approximately 15 of his last 16 fights were title defenses or mandatory fights including european and intercontinental belts and title challenges. look it up.

i can see why people pick ruiz, on top of his boring style, he got a gift decision against golota and lost to two non heavyweight fighters.

[Hitman932]

if weaver is on the list i think michael dokes needs to be also. dokes drew with weaver in the rematch and i dont think he ever defended. weaver did actually have some defenses before losing to dokes.

[Yogi]

yeah, tommy burns is quite a plausible pick. it might happen to seem a bit more plausible because he was ducking johnson for a couple of years and then got whipped when he eventually stopped running.

I would disagree with that as I think Burns actually deserves credit for eventually breaking the infamous colour line that held black boxers back in the years previous (as well as other athletes in other sports). Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries all drew the colour line when they were Heavyweight champions and refused to defend against the best black fighters around during their eras...Sullivan printed that infamous challenge in various newspapers where he stated that he "will not fight a Negro". Corbett underwent negotiations for a title defense against Peter Jackson, but would only defend his title against Jackson in the deepest southern states, where "The Black Prince" would've certainly recieved his fair share of unfair disadvantages. Bob Fitzsimmons also outright refused to fight Jackson and there are quotes of his to this day regarding that refusal. And James Jeffries refused Jack Johnson' challenges to a title fight in the ring before the his initial retirement, but according to the stories, Jeffries was perfectly willing to fight Jack in the streets (a famous story in a bar recounts Johnson's challenge to Jeffries, which almost resulted in a fist fight between the two).

Yet Tommy Burns (a quick in-and-out fighter of both hand & foot, who carried a excellant punch, immense toughness, great heart, and outstanding reach for someone of his size) is criticized for finally breaking the colour line and defending against his most worthy challenger? Judging by the previous Heavyweight champions, the precedant was surely set and by no means did Burns have to defend against Johnson. The public didn't care to see the fight, and in fact, Burns was even criticized by the prejudice public for his facing the challenge of Johnson. Yet he did fight him...so shouldn't he, in most ways, be applauded for breaking the colour line and facing Johnson in a fight in which he entered the ring suffering from a case of influenza (the sickness is according to boxing historian & Burns' researcher, Larry 'Cap' Roberts)?

[-Jay-]

Byrd and Rahman get my votes.

[THE REAL NINJA]

hey YOGI didnt Burns also hold the record for most strate ko's in title fights before Holmes or am i thinking of Fits

[Leo Pradun]

I didn't vote Ruiz because despite his boring style he does manage to get through fights and keep the belt. I didn't vote Spinks because i believe that he was more suited for the crusierweight division!
Botha's win was changed to a NC so i don't think he ever held the IBF title in the first place, he should be removed from the poll!
I picked Seldon because his chin was more of an issue than his skill.
I picked Buster Douglas because apart from the Tyson win he achieved nothing.
And i picked Mike Weaver because he was able to win a title because it was the worst heavyweight scene in history! Good thread though!

buster beat the hottest fighter of his time how can u say he wasnt worthy....

[Leo Pradun]

vitali klitschko, since he wasnt on the list i voted for the other giant not able to box freak, primo carnera. oh and carnera didnt deserve his title either.

ey another hating post by ****head

[Yogi]

hey YOGI didnt Burns also hold the record for most strate ko's in title fights before Holmes or am i thinking of Fits

Burns could have that record, my friend, as he did have a number of title defenses end in knockout. I can't say for sure without doing the math, though, but I would venture to say Burns is right up there in that category.

[THE REAL NINJA]

Burns could have that record, my friend, as he did have a number of title defenses end in knockout. I can't say for sure without doing the math, though, but I would venture to say Burns is right up there in that category.

i think it was him i got a mag about it ..i just dont feel like going thru all them to find it ..i remember it was something on how underrated and unknown he was yet he held this record for so long