Why are people so critical of Haye's performance against Wlad?

[Russian Crushin]

Like someone already said he wasn't really running, Wlad could not hit him for the long periods he was stationary, and its not like he is super aggressive, even when he has fought stationary guys he doesn't let his hands go much.

But hey he did what he had to do, it was a chess match, no offence but I just think some of you have an untrained eye.

Nope he ran and didnt try, Its pretty obvious. "he did what he had to do"? Gimme a break

[NEETzsche]

what made me laugh most was how haye's super-special secret plan was to flop around on the floor every time wlad tried to clinch him, trying to deceive the ref into deducting points. what a joke.

[sunny31]

Nope he ran and didnt try, Its pretty obvious. "he did what he had to do"? Gimme a break

I was talking about Wladimir with that comment dummy.

[dvb]

if hadnt have talked and bigged himself up and wound up the bros he wouldnt have got a title shot without having to go through all the ranked heavyweight bums,maybe he should have had a few more fights at heavy and got more experienced and especially with the bigger taller/rangy heavies,then gone for the media hustle to bag the k bros fight.

but i think he mostly had the talent to not have to go the slower long way round to a k bros fight.

not sure how much the injury affected him,but credit to wlad,hes not just tall rangy and cautious,but is extremely talented atheltically with his jab,his range keeping defensive abilties and his power cannot be disrespected.

Haye simply didnt do enough to out point wlad,he let wlad be busier,he let him throw and land more,i actually think haye landed better looking shots and combinations when he decided it was safe enough for him to do so.

Haye as a heavy needs to be busier,needs to jab more to keep busy,to keep guys thinking to set up his bigger punches in his combinations.

his balance and footwork needed improving upon if he was to continue to be on the back foot counter punching.

his hand speed and head movement made wlad very nervous and stopped him being as effective as he is usually vs other heavies.

i think this haye vs this aged vitali,haye can win,he can outbox vital completely,he can make vitali look so useless in missing most shots he tries to land,haye can use so much head movement and come from so many angles to land hard enough shots often enough to cut Vitali up and tko him,hes not knocking him out unless hayes stamina and work rate ups itself. And vitali has less power than wlad cause he does not throw as good a techinically sound punches,he arm punches,he doesnt get full extension and power on his punches like wlad does.

chisora vs wlad would be ugly for chisora,wlad is such a more co-ordinated and well thought out careful boxer.

[Russian Crushin]

I was talking about Wladimir with that comment dummy.

Ohhhh

Well i dont care if it was or wasnt a chess match. Point is there is NO way Haye is winning a "chess match", so why is he even in one?

You give EVERYTHING you have to win. But most of Haye's energy was wasted flopping around on the floor and running around instead of winning a fight.

[sunny31]

Ohhhh

Well i dont care if it was or wasnt a chess match. Point is there is NO way Haye is winning a "chess match", so why is he even in one?

You give EVERYTHING you have to win. But most of Haye's energy was wasted flopping around on the floor and running around instead of winning a fight.

Well clearly he was trying to set a trap and walk Wlad onto a counter and get him going and take him out. But Wlad was too good for it, his technique was too good, he fought tall, and when he did get hit, the power was taken off the shot because Haye was off balance. Hindsight is an easy thing, in previous fights you see Wlad fall in after shots and clinch but he didn't do that in this fight, he executed perfectly, simple as that. Haye did try, he did what he knows best, and he is fast enough to catch Wlad from the outside, but Wlad just did not make many mistakes, didn't give him the window to land those shots, and I believe that was Wladimir's best performance.

Agree to disagree

[keelaybrown]

That has always been his style, Wlad's performance wasn't much better either, he too fought very cautious. My blame was never solely directed at Haye, but no complaints here as neither of the two are versatile. As soon as Haye would open up, Wlad would back pedal as oppose to countering and Haye would do the same exact thing. Difference is Wlad's size and ability to tire out his opponents with his weight by laying on them in the clinches...allowed him to take the initiative better. Haye is no different than Pascal, both fight exactly the same way if one looks closely, the same exact style man. And for the record I gave Haye 4 rounds...

almost exactly my thoughts

[The Ban Stick]

Oh I get it, joke thread.

[Lostlinka]

So the question your asking is why some felt robbed by Hayes performance against Wlad when we all knew what to expect?

Unless you have mystic abilities, part of the excitement with boxing is that it can change in an instant. We all knew how it PROBABLY would turn out, but that doesn't detract from the hype Haye built, leading to an expectation that he might fight more aggresively like in his cruiser days.

Looks like you are simply defending Haye on what was essentially a flawed gameplan against a superior fighter. Wlad schooled him and it was a yawn fest.

[Russian Crushin]

Well clearly he was trying to set a trap and walk Wlad onto a counter and get him going and take him out. But Wlad was too good for it, his technique was too good, he fought tall, and when he did get hit, the power was taken off the shot because Haye was off balance. Hindsight is an easy thing, in previous fights you see Wlad fall in after shots and clinch but he didn't do that in this fight, he executed perfectly, simple as that. Haye did try, he did what he knows best, and he is fast enough to catch Wlad from the outside, but Wlad just did not make many mistakes, didn't give him the window to land those shots, and I believe that was Wladimir's best performance.

Agree to disagree

Set the exact same trap for 12 rounds?

Maybe if it was a 15 round fight, he would have changed something up