Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao: Mayweather Doesn't Want The Fight, I Want It

[Spoon23]

actually it's manny that is overpricing himself......we're talking about a 7 or 8 million dollar fighter here......he overpriced himself in the jmm negos and he is trying to do the same here.

he tried to weight drain cotto like he does every other fighter he fights. floyd outsells him in most of their common opponents and fights the better version as well with the exception of marquez. floyd also dominated jmm while poochiao got his ass whipped. coming off a bad fight like that, you are in no position to make any demands to a fighter like floyd.

And you honestly believe that is what pac is only getting? Are you that gullible?? The guy has a guarantee of 22 million fighting Marquez plus plus ppv shares etc.. Go to the Philippines and see how many yachts pac has. The guy is ****** rich.

[Reloaded]

And you honestly believe that is what pac is only getting? Are you that gullible?? The guy has a guarantee of 22 million fighting Marquez plus plus ppv shares etc.. Go to the Philippines and see how many yachts pac has. The guy is ****** rich.

Yeah I dont buy the 8 mill fighter bit , but I also think 40 mill is way and above anything Pac has earned for any fight in his career .

[thuggery]

first off, with regards to the money, how come no one complained when mayweather fought de la hoya? mayweather made 25 mil while de la hoya made 58 mil...and mayweather was the one that won the fight. floyd didnt say **** about that even tho oscar more than doubled his money. he paid his dues and now he wants to be paid. if u wanna take a shot at the king then this is what it costs.

next, for you guys that have comprehension problems, i'm pretty sure the offer that floyd made was 40 mil guaranteed. he never mentioned anything about the back end because the negotiations never went that far and he said as much in an interview. he never offered 40 mil flat, manny probably interpreted it as 40 mil flat because either 1) floyd didnt mention the back end yet so he assumed floyd just meant 40 flat, or 2) english is not his native language so he didnt understand what floyd was saying. also note that it was michael koncz who made a counteroffer which goes to show that manny doesnt know how to negotiate. he has guys that do that for him which is fine but it caused a problem in this situation because he tried to negotiate directly but he didnt know how. if he had floyd on the phone, why would he hang up and get koncz to call back with the counteroffer? it's cuz he doesnt know how to negotiate which is why floyd is richer than him.

another thing, where were you guys criticizing manny for ducking the drug testing before? they went to arbitration and even tho it wasn't ruled in floyd's favour he agreed while manny refused. i have no problem with him refusing it initially but if u agree to go to arbitration then u have to accept the outcome. furthermore, floyd asks that for all his fights so dont say he brought it up to dodge manny. lots of other fighters do as well. case in point maidana asked alexander for it. it only seems like a huge deal cuz manny refused for no good reason. everyone else is like "ok done" cuz its a legit drug test, only manny refused it.

it's easy to say all this stuff after both of you guys signed on to fight and can no longer set a date. why didnt manny say any of this before he signed on to fight bradley? it's easy to talk **** after u realize everything is locked in. it's like the hockey player that waits till the guy's in the penalty box before he goes over and talks smack cuz he knows the other guy cant do anything about it.


for the record, i blame all of this on arum, but manny should not say these things after everything is set in stone. if he really had a problem with it, then say it before, not after. cuz now it looks like he's just mad at floyd for taking his fight with cotto resulting in manny getting less money from his next fight.


also for the guys that say floyd ducks everyone, he's fighting cotto at cotto's weight. arum clearly blocked the fight for 5 years and the proof is in the pudding. as soon as cotto's top rank contract expired, him and floyd reached an agreement to fight within a week - literally. cotto tried to fight with manny, manny said "we'll fight only if u're severely weight drained" (whether it's manny's own request or his handlers are requesting it i dont know), cotto said no and him and floyd got a fight together within a week. bob arum is the problem and i strongly believe that if manny left top rank, his fight with mayweather would be made rather quickly. he would also get a lot more money per fight since top rank wouldnt be taking their cut anymore.

I agree with your entire post, especially the bold parts

[Scarab]

Yeah I dont buy the 8 mill fighter bit , but I also think 40 mill is way and above anything Pac has earned for any fight in his career .

That may be true about this being Pac's greatest payday. But this will be Floyd's greatest payday ever too. In boxing it takes two to tango. As we have seen Pacquiao has been the more entertaining fighter between the two, more engaging, while Floyd will be defensive stance all night. Let's not kid ourselves here. 50/50 is FAIR, purse and revenue. No other way around this for P4P #1 and #2 fighters. Any camp saying they deserve more is clearly ducking. That's the TRUTH my friends.

And what happened to "take the test" slogan? As most people have said all along, once Pacquiao has AGREED to the TEST, is going to be SOMETHING ELSE. Now THIS! FLOYD never wanted this fight. Mayweather Sr is even happy Pacquiao has announced his plans to just retire after Bradley.

[flint]

pacquiao is a dummmy.he turned down a guaranteed 40m to fight bradley for a contracted fight that may get him up to as much as 17mil to fight bradley. now mayweather is given cotto a guaranteed 30mil and pac has already beaten cotto. what a dumb dork pac is. arum and konzc are pimpimg manny ducquiao.

[thuggery]

As we have seen Pacquiao has been the more entertaining fighter between the two, more engaging, while Floyd will be defensive stance all night.

That's definitely not true, it's in the eye of the beholder.

Some people like to watch boxing, and other likes to watch sloppy, awkward angled punches being thrown

[Scarab]

his fight with mayweather would be made rather quickly. he would also get a lot more money per fight since top rank wouldnt be taking their cut anymore.

Yeah, and Floyd will hoard most of the revenues. Bob Arum, for all his greedy business practices, has protected Pacquiao from getting ripped off. Manny Pacquiao is mostly just a boxer, and would have not much representation without Bob Arum, that's FACT. That's why he has consigned Top Rank to do all his endorsements contracts for him. Greedy Bob will actually ensure Greedy Floyd won't suck all the money out of this potential fight.

Can you people NOT get this into your thick skulls? Floyd is just another Bob Arum. Floyd is just a greedy as Bob. Why do you think he calls himself Money?

[Scarab]

That's definitely not true, it's in the eye of the beholder.

Some people like to watch boxing, and other likes to watch sloppy, awkward angled punches being thrown

Exactly, only SOME. But for the MOST of the PPV buying public who makes up most of the ppv revenues, who are not hardcore boxing fans at all, Pacquiao is the more entertaining fighter. He wouldn't be where he is now if he didn't perform. And this is exactly why he got criticized for a mediocre performance in the Marquez fight because people buying his PPV expects explosive KOs.

[Spoon23]

Manny needs to know his place at the negotiating table.

Yup your right.

fair game...

Pay Per View

2009
1.Pacquiao-Cotto...............1.25M PPV ($70M).......($8.85M gate -crowd:15,930)
2.Mayweather-Marquez.......1.05M PPV ($52M).......($6.81M gate -crowd:13,116)
3.Pacquiao-Hatton..............850K PPV ($45M)........($8.83M gate -crowd:16,262)

2010
1.Mayweather-Mosley.........1.4M PPV ($78.3M)......($11.03M gate -crowd:15,117)
2.Pacquiao-Margarito..........1.15M PPV ($64M).......($5.4M gate -crowd:40,154)
3.Pacquiao-Clottey.............700K PPV ($35.3M)......($6.36M gate -crowd:41,843)

2011
1.Pacquiao-Marquez............1.41M PPV ($77.6M*)....($11.65M gate -crowd:16,389)
2.Mayweather-Ortiz............1.25M PPV ($78.4M)......($9M gate -crowd:14,687)
3.Pacquiao-Mosley..............1.1M~ PPV ($66M)........($8.88M gate -crowd:16,412)

*1.41M PPV x $54.95...PPV gross will be more taking into account HD buys at $64.95
~some reports have Pac-Mosley doing 1.3M PPV buys, including on the Ring website & Wikipedia


Crowds

2011
Pacquiao v Mosley.............16,412 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)
Pacquiao v Marquez...........16,389 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)
Mayweather v Ortiz............14,687 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)

2010
Pacquiao v Clottey.............41,843 (Cowboys Stadium, Texas)
Pacquiao v Margarito..........40,154 (Cowboys Stadium, Texas)
Mayweather v Mosley.........15,117 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)

2009
Pacquiao v Hatton.............16,262 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)
Pacquiao v Cotto...............15,930 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)
Mayweather v Marquez.......13,116 (MGM Grand, Las Vegas)


Try pondering on this

Pac is the most searched boxer in the net (globally)

Pac is the fighter of the decade

PAc is the p4p

PAc is ranked 28 in the top athletes of 2012 in the usa while floyd only ranked 48 lol

7 division champ

4 linear champ

more fights under his belt

PAc has more endorsement in the usa than Floyd. Including Nike brands and commercials, HP etc etc..

Telling me that 50/50 ain't fair when pac is even bigger than Floyd in the USA more so than in the world and you still think Floyd should get more than 50/50?

What about 55/45 winner take thew bigger pot still no good for you. HAve no confidence with your boy?

Bro 50/50 is a fair shake. That's all their is to it. If you don't get it just wipe Floyd's divk out of your mouth kiss azz hehe!

[Scarab]

pacquiao is a dummmy.he turned down a guaranteed 40m to fight bradley for a contracted fight that may get him up to as much as 17mil to fight bradley. now mayweather is given cotto a guaranteed 30mil and pac has already beaten cotto. what a dumb dork pac is. arum and konzc are pimpimg manny ducquiao.

He takes his 17million and keeps his pride intact. Rather than being paid $40mil contracted like a hooker.