***Paul Williams vs Nobuhiro Ishida RBR plus undercard discussion***

[-Kev-]

Somebody refresh my memory, Is Cloud stamina good or bad?

I'm not watching this fight, i'm on my phone reading this thread thanks for making it. But the thing why i'm not watching it is because Cloud is not as good as people make him out to be, I saw that in the Mack fight. Now, Cloud might win this fight, because one thing he has is fight-changing power, i'm not gonna take that away from him. But that's all he has, power, and you need more than just power at the top level, which he's not even in right now. I don't think he's "avoided" or "feared" like writers make him out to be, I thought Mack outboxed him very well before getting knocked out. Yusaf Mack was not even in the top 10 at 175 when this fight happened.

[RichCCFC]

Gampillo looks like Anderson Silva

[Come∂ian]

Dawson beats Cloud

[AddiX]

Why the he'll is cloud going into the Philly shell?

Whoever his trainer is might of ruined him, cloud is a brute and a workhorse, and he needs to fight like that.

[mathed]

Cloud needs to just throw punches, he will break Campillo down if he does that

[americanbot]

Im pretty sure he gassed against Glen Johnson

yea but cloud typically gets stronger as the rounds go on.........he keeps coming. campillo would be foolish to think he has the fight at this point.

[sicko]

Dawson beats Cloud

YEAP, I been saying that for awhile..."DAWSON WOULD BOX CIRCLES AROUND CLOUD"

[New England]

this is the second half of the fight. lets see how campillo holds up. he's looked pretty good so far but he's going to have to keep it up. if he slows down and cloud gets to his body he might get stopped.

very nice fight. both guys are working hard.

[Mayabang]

Gampillo looks like Anderson Silva

haha! that's it! I thought the same thing, almost similar body shape as well.

[-Kev-]

Also in the Johnson fight, he showed he's not really like a top level fighter. He's right a Johnson's level, and Johnson is 68 years old. If you're top fighter, you're gonna have some trouble with Johnson, but you're gonna beat him convincingly at the end. Dawson did that, Froch did that, Bute did that, Cloud did not do that at all.