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  • Shogunofharlem1
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    #51
    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
    Floyd has some defensive maneuvers he employs after leading with a right like head movement, clinching, pivoting, etc. I see him using them more as he ages and slows down.

    I think thats its ingrained in his head to dip low after the "pull counter" to avoid the punch coming back. I wonder of trained properly could an opponent counter hook off his right hand.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Shogunofharlem1
      I think thats its ingrained in his head to dip low after the "pull counter" to avoid the punch coming back. I wonder of trained properly could an opponent counter hook off his right hand.
      I guess we'll find out more about this on May 5th. Cotto has a good hook and left uppercut himself. Floyd is aware that people try to counter his pull-counter. Marquez, an intelligent counter-punching specialist, couldn't touch Floyd's pull-counter.

      [IMG]http://i4.***********.com/albums/y106/rikux2o6/Boxeo/RHCOUNTER.gif[/IMG]

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      • CubanGuyNYC
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        #53
        Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
        I guess we'll find out more about this on May 5th. Cotto has a good hook and left uppercut himself. Floyd is aware that people try to counter his pull-counter. Marquez, an intelligent counter-punching specialist, couldn't touch Floyd's pull-counter.

        [IMG]http://i4.***********.com/albums/y106/rikux2o6/Boxeo/RHCOUNTER.gif[/IMG]
        In every sport, the arm-chair guys (us) try to dissect an athlete's (or team's) weaknesses and how they can be exploited. It's all very interesting and it's partly what makes it fun to be a fan. However, the chances that we're seeing something the pros aren't is slim to none. I'm not only certain Mayweather's opponents try to take advantage of his openings, but that Floyd knows it.

        You make a good point. JMM is an awesome counter-puncher, yet even he couldn't effectively take advantage of Mayweather's openings when executing the "pull-counter." (As illustrated in your GIF.) It's a common problem in sports: identifying a weakness is one thing; taking advantage of it is another. Rarified boxers are able to employ risky, unorthodox or predictable techniques over and over in their fights because they're so gifted. Floyd happens to be of that uncommon breed.

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          #54
          It looks like Floyd is just getting lucky and slipping punches and the opponent isn't trying hard enough or something but that is far from the reality of it. Floyd's reflexes are extremely good and so is his stamina so he can slip punches at a high rate while stile managing to land a few solid counters in between.

          There are openings to hit Floyd but you have to set him up. He is very reaction oriented so you have to do very little to get a physical response from him, whether it is a simple twitch or a full shoulder roll. Plus Floyd has a very good center of gravity which allows him to punch and then pull away while ducking without really moving that far.

          Your best bet is to trap Floyd against the ropes and feint punches and target the open area. Floyd will be looking for Cotto's left to the body all night, his game plan is likely to counter Cotto when he throws the left downstairs. I see Floyd trying to throw lots of straight rights.

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            #55
            uppercuts would do wonders for stopping that pull-duck counter punch.

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              #56
              Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
              I'm not saying Diaz didn't use the word "normal" in describing Floyd; but remember, the TS is relaying what Pedro said. In order for us to know what Cotto's trainer really said or meant, we would have to listen to or read the interview ourselves. With all respect to the TS, we don't know what Diaz meant, or in what context he used the word "normal," or if he even used the word in the first place.

              It reminds me of a scene in the movie "The Color of Money." Paul Newman calls Tom Cruise "a character." Cruise looks over at his girlfriend and says, "Did you hear that? He said I have character!" Newman corrects him, "No. I said you are a character. There's a difference...."

              I listened to the entire interview. I believe it was "Comedian" who actually posted it on this forum yesterday. I am not allowed to post links yet, but u can find it on youtube just search "Miguel Cotto habla de Floyd Mayweather en La Perrera"

              its in Spanish.

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                #57
                Originally posted by MalikKnucklez
                I listened to the entire interview. I believe it was "Comedian" who actually posted it on this forum yesterday. I am not allowed to post links yet, but u can find it on youtube just search "Miguel Cotto habla de Floyd Mayweather en La Perrera"

                its in Spanish.
                What I took from the interview is that they will try to stick and move. Kind of the mayorga fight I think they want Floyd to be the aggresor. What Diaz said about Floyd being normal was the fact that he is just like any other fighter because he has weaknesses and strenghts. They didn't discredit Floyd at no point although the fans in P.R. seem to really dislike him.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  It looks like Floyd is just getting lucky and slipping punches and the opponent isn't trying hard enough or something but that is far from the reality of it. Floyd's reflexes are extremely good and so is his stamina so he can slip punches at a high rate while stile managing to land a few solid counters in between.

                  There are openings to hit Floyd but you have to set him up. He is very reaction oriented so you have to do very little to get a physical response from him, whether it is a simple twitch or a full shoulder roll. Plus Floyd has a very good center of gravity which allows him to punch and then pull away while ducking without really moving that far.

                  Your best bet is to trap Floyd against the ropes and feint punches and target the open area. Floyd will be looking for Cotto's left to the body all night, his game plan is likely to counter Cotto when he throws the left downstairs. I see Floyd trying to throw lots of straight rights.
                  right uppercut counter

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by FJRod
                    What I took from the interview is that they will try to stick and move. Kind of the mayorga fight I think they want Floyd to be the aggresor. What Diaz said about Floyd being normal was the fact that he is just like any other fighter because he has weaknesses and strenghts. They didn't discredit Floyd at no point although the fans in P.R. seem to really dislike him.
                    looks like everyone is in agreement then

                    Mayweather has said he doesn't want to be on the backfoot for this fight. Lot of people will be surprised when its Mayweather applying pressure instead of Cotto.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by iseah100
                      Best post ever in the history of Boxingscene.
                      LOL, I'll take that... THX

                      Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                      You can't say **** when Cotto loses then.

                      You'll just have to be humbled. You talked all this crap about how great Cotto is and how poor Floyd is. When Cotto gets beat, in all his greatness, you can't say **** and can only recognize it as a great win for Floyd.
                      Did you not hear me cornball? Cotto is winning that fight and if he doesn't than all props to Floyd. I never said Floyd was poor, just his win over Shane wasn't ****, he doesn't hit hard, and that he is a cherry-picking ass puto -- All pretty much facts. But he still is a talented fighter.

                      Thanks @ Cu****uyNYC, you already know. I disagree with you too. Mayweather ain't seen a man like Cotto with something left before, his trainer is a huge reason why I think he's winning too, dude is dedicated as hell. We all human and the same way Floyd trains and dedicates himself so can Cotto and Diaz. And they can win. Won't be easy but ain't impossible.

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