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  • 4Corners
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    #11
    Originally posted by Forza
    Vitali at 40 would stomp any prime HW from the 60's and 70's
    Vitali would beat Patterson, based on size alone. Liston, probably as well. Frazier, it'd be interesting. Ali and Foreman, in their primes, no way. Foreman was as big and as bad as either Klitschko.

    Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, and Earnie Shavers are better than anything the Klitschko's have had to face. I don't put a lot of stock into being up 4 rounds to 2 against a 37 year old Lennox Lewis, sorry.

    The Klitschko's are ATG HW's, but based on their era, career, resume, and skills mixed together, I can't go any higher than Top 15 HW's. H2H, they are probably top 10.

    But, the fact that an absolute prime Vitali didn't even dominate a 37 year old Lennox, who was way past it and out of shape, validates that theyw ould have struggled a ton in other era's. Corrie Sanders, Eddie Chambers, Samuel Peter, Chris Byrd, David Haye, Odlainer Solis, are some of the toughest names they've had to face.......that alone proves my point.

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      #12
      Originally posted by 4CornersKid
      Vitali would beat Patterson, based on size alone. Liston, probably as well. Frazier, it'd be interesting. Ali and Foreman, in their primes, no way. Foreman was as big and as bad as either Klitschko.

      Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, and Earnie Shavers are better than anything the Klitschko's have had to face. I don't put a lot of stock into being up 4 rounds to 2 against a 37 year old Lennox Lewis, sorry.

      The Klitschko's are ATG HW's, but based on their era, career, resume, and skills mixed together, I can't go any higher than Top 15 HW's. H2H, they are probably top 10.

      But, the fact that an absolute prime Vitali didn't even dominate a 37 year old Lennox, who was way past it and out of shape, validates that theyw ould have struggled a ton in other era's. Corrie Sanders, Eddie Chambers, Samuel Peter, Chris Byrd, David Haye, Odlainer Solis, are some of the toughest names they've had to face.......that alone proves my point.
      Other than the second version of Big George all the fighters you mentioned were all about the same size or even smaller than David Haye. So, if you are going to base something on just size alone the Klit brothers should have been able to beat all them rather easily. And as far as Vitali not dominating Lewis. He did fact in all the stats. He just unfortunately got cut and it was a legit stoppage.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Ravens Fan
        Other than the second version of Big George all the fighters you mentioned were all about the same size or even smaller than David Haye. So, if you are going to base something on just size alone the Klit brothers should have been able to beat all them rather easily. And as far as Vitali not dominating Lewis. He did fact in all the stats. He just unfortunately got cut and it was a legit stoppage.
        Floyd Patterson was the only guy I mentioned about size. Floyd was one of my all-time favorite fighters, truly underrated, but he's the only one I mentioned about size. All the guys I mentioned were bigger than Floyd Patterson.

        Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, I'd favor all over the Klitschko's. Frazier, Liston, Tyson, Shavers, Lyle, Norton, Moorer, would all be really interesting.

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          #14
          Originally posted by 4CornersKid
          I can't believe some people think Chisora has a chance. The fact that Chisora was the best HW available right now, just goes to show that the HW division has been pretty crappy for about 10-15 years now.
          I'm pretty damn sure you wouldn't say things like that if Vitali was born and raised in your native Colorado, USA.

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            Chisora has got him self into good shape for this fight. The reason he lost to Fury was because he didnt bother to train he was in terrible shape and still nearly knocked him out. I got Del in this fight and I have bet every last penny I have on a Chisora win.

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              #16
              Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
              DERECK CHISORA has vowed to make Vitali Klitschko look his age after insisting the Ukrainian is not a ring great.

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              Chisora is an ungrateful aszhole.

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                #17
                Originally posted by 4CornersKid
                Floyd Patterson was the only guy I mentioned about size. Floyd was one of my all-time favorite fighters, truly underrated, but he's the only one I mentioned about size. All the guys I mentioned were bigger than Floyd Patterson.

                Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, I'd favor all over the Klitschko's. Frazier, Liston, Tyson, Shavers, Lyle, Norton, Moorer, would all be really interesting.
                You missed the point I was trying to make but that is okay. I will also say that your statements are also a little confusing. Because first you state that the Klit bros are top 15 all time greats than you make it sound as if they would be 50-50 against fighters who aren't even in the top 25 or possibly not even top 50 all time great heavyweights, what is up with that? I believe you just don't give the Klit bros much credit simply because you don't want to.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Superflo777
                  I'm pretty damn sure you wouldn't say things like that if Vitali was born and raised in your native Colorado, USA.
                  No I could care less where someone is born, I am a Kell Brook fan for Christ Sake and he's a Brit.

                  I like Ron Lyle and Stevie Johnston, both from Colorado, but that has ZERO to do with anything I say about the Klitschko's or the current state of the HW division.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Ravens Fan
                    You missed the point I was trying to make but that is okay. I will also say that your statements are also a little confusing. Because first you state that the Klit bros are top 15 all time greats than you make it sound as if they would be 50-50 against fighters who aren't even in the top 25 or possibly not even top 50 all time great heavyweights, what is up with that? I believe you just don't give the Klit bros much credit simply because you don't want to.
                    I get your point, but I was just saying I was only talking about Floyd Patterson in terms of size, but I get what you said.

                    H2H, the Klitschko's are Top 10 or so to me. Based on career, resume, era, skills, all together, they are Top 15 or so.

                    H2H, those guys I mentioned about being 50-50 with the Klitschko's, would beat a lot of the HW's from all era's.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by 4CornersKid
                      I get your point, but I was just saying I was only talking about Floyd Patterson in terms of size, but I get what you said.

                      H2H, the Klitschko's are Top 10 or so to me. Based on career, resume, era, skills, all together, they are Top 15 or so.

                      H2H, those guys I mentioned about being 50-50 with the Klitschko's, would beat a lot of the HW's from all era's.
                      If you going to state that the likes of Ron Lyle and Ernie Shavers or even Foreman or Ali could beat fighters in any era. Than in fairness to the Klit bros you should be able to say the same thing about them. Simply because they still happen to be pretty good fighters regardless of what era they happen to fight in. You even admit that your self.

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