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This and he's been coming into the ring above 140 for YEARS. He is almost the exact same size (height, reach, weight) as the great Jimmy McLarnin who also started as a teen around the same size. Pac seems small for Welter to some because of the day before weigh-in. He's not. He's the same size as many of the best and a little bigger than some.Comment
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Maybe you forgot this but Floyd fought guys who have hardly wet their feet in the WW division but I do not remember you writing posts nor starting posts on this subject. In fact, its worse for Floyd as you have admitted it yourself, Manny can' even hit the 147lbs limit and almost always comes at a huge disadvantage on fight night.
To refresh your memory:
Floyd vs Ortiz - 1 WW fight prior to fighting Floyd. Berto was laughed at and questioned for fighting nobody's prior to Ortiz and knocked down Ortiz twice. Ortiz also drew in a 140lb fight prior to that.
Floyd vs Marquez: 0 WW fight prior to fighting Floyd. Marquez was 2 fights away from his 130lbs days and was in uncharted terrirtory when Floyd changed his mind on the 144lbs CW and fought at 146lbs CW.
Floyd vs Hatton: Last 2 fights prior to Floyd was at 140lbs because he felt more comfortable/effective at 140lbs but then for the money and the chance to fight Floyd, Hatton agreed to fight at 147lbs.
The worst thing about it is that on many of those occasions, Floyd picked on fighters such as those above and avoided fighting true WWs. Perfect example was fighting Hatton instead of an undefeated Cotto, Margarito, P.Williams, Clottey and now Manny.
At least:
- Manny vs Marquez has history and Marquez always gave him trouble
- Manny vs Bradley who everyone wanted Manny to fight until it became a reality. Now the haters are coming out and starting these threads.Last edited by ADP02; 02-11-2012, 01:42 PM.Comment
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I absolutely agree.
However, what many of you are not factoring in is the risk factor.
Bradley is NOT as much a risk as Ortiz was at 168lbs. There really is no argument there.
Risk and rank is what determines reward legacy-wise. Ortiz was the #2 WW and came in as a SMW. Bradley, is the #1 jrWW, but he's a smaller man and represents little risk other than his klingon head.
The real question: Who has Bradley beat that would give fans or gamblers the idea that he could do well or even beat Manny Pacquiao?
Ortiz beat Andre Berto, the #2 WW champion who was supposed to meet Mosley, but Haiti happened and the rest is history. That one fight alone has shown that Ortiz can and has ****** with the bigger boys at 147.
Let us not forget, Ortiz was also at one time campaigning at 140. He came up, taking a much bigger risk than Bradley has EVER taken, and defeated the #2 WW champion. Ortiz has lost before and had a draw, but like I keep telling you guys ... in boxing you're only as good as your last fight. Just ask Shane Mosley.
So in the end, a fight against Cotto as a jrMW hold more value in terms of risk, but a fight against Bradley holds more value in terms of rank.
However, when determining which of these two fights has more merit as far as legacy goes, the nod goes to the Mayweather/Cotto fight because:
1 - Cotto is ranked among the top 3 in his division
but more importantly ..
2 - Cotto as a jrMW champion is perceived as a much bigger threat than Bradley. Size, power and more mass to absorb Floyd's blows instantly create more intrigue and give Cotto a better chance of winning JUST ON THOSE ELEMENTS ALONE.
I can't honestly say that Bradley is more skilled than Cotto as he hasn't faced anyone who would have validated that claim. So let's just say that they are equal in terms of skill.
The last thing to consider is where both Mayweather and Pacquiao have been competing for the last few years. The answer is welterweight. This is important to factor in because fighting smaller men than you have become accustomed to fighting in recent times is NOT looked upon as challenging yourself, and therefore has very little if any real worth in terms of legacy.
That is EXACTLY why Bernard Hopkins never got the respect he thought he deserved. He took too long to take care of business in his own division, he then began seeking fights with smaller WW's on the rise, and he was content doing this.
Sure he won, but the anticipation was always about how well Trinidad and DLH could do and NEVER about how well Hopkins would do. We all already knew.
It wasn't until BHOP stepped up and fought a young, hungry lion like Jermain Taylor that people gave him respect even in defeat. Then he stepped up and actually went up in weight to LtHW... something he avoided doing for 16 years!!! It was at that point that BHOP finally found the respect and the credit that he so long desired. And rightfully so!
You see ... BHOP finally stepped up against more than mandatories and WW's. He challenged himself and was appropriately awarded for it. He didn't ask for catchweights either.
So when it comes down to it, using BHOP's situation as a measuring stick, Pacquiao/Bradley is not as legacy worthy as Mayweather/Cotto.
Both ought to be interesting though .. as long as everyone comes to fight and not just coast along to say that they lasted the duration .. ahem ... mosley.Comment
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Its dumbasses like this that have their heads so far up Pacs ass that they themselves feel as if they are Manny himself...lmao
If Roach admits that he takes advantages of Mannys opponents weights..WHO ARE YOU to say otherwise. Manny has not fought at 135 since 2008 but all of a sudden "he can whenever he feels like it"....ni66a please
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