Pac refused to fight this version of Cotto without a CW

[ADP02]

lotta bull**** before we got to- So considering that Manny was coming up from 130 to 147 in such a short period of time made those 2lb CW bearable. SO the answer to the 1st question is I was ok with it because it was manny's opponent.

the answer to #2-well I wont go with what Canelo says but whatever cotto says is ok.

If that is what you got out of my post then nobody can help with your comprehension skills!!!

If a CW affects any fighter whether it be an opponent for Manny, Floyd, Marquez then for me, the fight should NOT be made .... still don't understand?

I will repeat, I said let's see what happens in the fight and what Canelo states AFTER the fight in his post-interview. Geeeeeez! .... still don't understand?

[Reloaded]

You definitely do wipe ass because that's all your boxing "knowledge" is good for. You've been made to look like a complete idiot who can't even figure out how to do damage control. Year after year, Floyd will do something that will make his fans look completely ****** and instead of admitting that they were wrong, they scramble to figure out a way to distort reality by either attempting to change the definition of certain words or deny their idiocy all together. You are no exception. You're exactly what the sport doesn't need.

A groupie who is only a fan of the individual and not the sport. There is nothing that separates you from a hysterical, crying Beiber fan. You two are the same kind of person.

I love how the guys like you that I have beat so many times in debates jump up with an insult post thgis is why I think your cowards even though your just kids is all you are , thats why I don't care what you kids come out with .

I will debate the facts of boxing with anyone , do you people ever actually comprehend the context of whats said , ah nope !

[The Big Dunn]

If that is what you got out of my post then nobody can help with your comprehension skills!!!

If a CW affects any fighter whether it be an opponent for Manny, Floyd, Marquez then for me, the fight should NOT be made .... still don't understand?

I will repeat, I said let's see what happens in the fight and what Canelo states AFTER the fight in his post-interview. Geeeeeez! .... still don't understand?

how can u tell if a cw will affect anyone before hand? in manny v cotto you didn't see any affect beforehand but with floyd you see it being a problem. Bull****. Why do you need to wait he already said hed be fine.

We know you're full of **** and are doing the same thing reloaded did.

[Reloaded]

If that is what you got out of my post then nobody can help with your comprehension skills!!!

If a CW affects any fighter whether it be an opponent for Manny, Floyd, Marquez then for me, the fight should NOT be made .... still don't understand?

I will repeat, I said let's see what happens in the fight and what Canelo states AFTER the fight in his post-interview. Geeeeeez! .... still don't understand?

Are you ****** ? , a CW on its own don't mean anything , it depends on the particular circumstances and the two individual fighters , you just want to wrap up ALL CWs as being the the same , THEY ARE NOT THE SAME !

And I agree , evaluate the CW after the fight when we have all the information its easy to see if a CW effects a guy negatively after the fact , and just because a guy loses don't mean he was drainedor a CW effected him badly , and in some CWs it benefits the guy .


IV fluid infusions over the last 30hrs - GUARANTEED DRAINED
Diuretics - Big red Flag to problems making weight .

Other signs are ,less sweating , flatfooted and lethargic , they have no snap and are pushing punches , their resistance is less , there timing is off because at micro level the brain action sequence is dulled , their wind wont be affected unless they also slightly anemic but their strength will be , they still very fit just not strong as they are normally .

Don't worry I will be watch Canelo like a hawk in this and if he does an Oscar Manny , I will scream from the highest hill that Canelo was drained , if Floyd beats the crap out of him and Canelo says the weight beat him and to fight at 154 and rematch the biggest money fight for Floyd as it was for Manny and Cotto 2 , Then I will call Floyd DUCK the loudest .

Apply the context of whats being said , all you idiots read is a single quote and apply it to your agenda , the fine print is what tells the real story .

[junior gong]

You definitely do wipe ass because that's all your boxing "knowledge" is good for. You've been made to look like a complete idiot who can't even figure out how to do damage control. Year after year, Floyd will do something that will make his fans look completely ****** and instead of admitting that they were wrong, they scramble to figure out a way to distort reality by either attempting to change the definition of certain words or deny their idiocy all together. You are no exception. You're exactly what the sport doesn't need.

A groupie who is only a fan of the individual and not the sport. There is nothing that separates you from a hysterical, crying Beiber fan. You two are the same kind of person.

Magnificently put!

[ADP02]

how can u tell if a cw will affect anyone before hand? in manny v cotto you didn't see any affect beforehand but with floyd you see it being a problem. Bull****. Why do you need to wait he already said hed be fine.

We know you're full of **** and are doing the same thing reloaded did.

I pointed to links where Canelo, his team, Oscar, Schaeffer all said that Canelo can't go below 154. They even pointed out why.

BUT they all wanted the fight so they accepted the fight. So now considering the above plus Canelo having stamina issues, I would have to see it on fight night to see which version of Canelo we will see.

Cotto on the other hand said while laughing that he can make 145 easily because in his previous fight he was making 146 easily. If he said he couldn't or I heard him say it after the fight then that would be different BUT he didn't. Even after the weigh-in Cotto said "I'm going to be too strong for the smaller Manny". Cotto put the CW issue to rest when he said "Manny was just too quick".

Again, I'm basing all this on facts. Reloaded is NOT. Reloaded couldn't point you to one link or interview where Manny's opponent said that they were drained because of the CW. I can present you with multiple links where Canelo and company have stated their concerns.

[junior gong]

Hes no different than adp02, coldcashcanelo, mrpizzaandbeer, kuyukut, hectari, etc.

GTFOH! You know damn well that floydiots, and in particular the extremely ******ed ones like reloaded, Jakutindi wanka, ShoulderRoll, Jaestix etc. are the absolute arse end of the fan totem poll. This simple truth is borne out of the fact that the only people that dont think this happen to be floydiots themselves. This is what makes you giggly little turnips unique on not just this, but every other forum pertaining to the sport except floydhype and WSHH.

[junior gong]

I love how the guys like you that I have beat so many times in debates jump up with an insult post thgis is why I think your cowards even though your just kids is all you are , thats why I don't care what you kids come out with .

I will debate the facts of boxing with anyone , do you people ever actually comprehend the context of whats said , ah nope !

Is this ^^^^^ you? It sure sounds just like you!

[ADP02]

Are you ****** ? , a CW on its own don't mean anything , it depends on the particular circumstances and the two individual fighters , you just want to wrap up ALL CWs as being the the same , THEY ARE NOT THE SAME !

And I agree , evaluate the CW after the fight when we have all the information its easy to see if a CW effects a guy negatively after the fact , and just because a guy loses don't mean he was drainedor a CW effected him badly , and in some CWs it benefits the guy .


IV fluid infusions over the last 30hrs - GUARANTEED DRAINED
Diuretics - Big red Flag to problems making weight .

Other signs are ,less sweating , flatfooted and lethargic , they have no snap and are pushing punches , their resistance is less , there timing is off because at micro level the brain action sequence is dulled , their wind wont be affected unless they also slightly anemic but their strength will be , they still very fit just not strong as they are normally .

Don't worry I will be watch Canelo like a hawk in this and if he does an Oscar Manny , I will scream from the highest hill that Canelo was drained , if Floyd beats the crap out of him and Canelo says the weight beat him and to fight at 154 and rematch the biggest money fight for Floyd as it was for Manny and Cotto 2 , Then I will call Floyd DUCK the loudest .

Apply the context of whats being said , all you idiots read is a single quote and apply it to your agenda , the fine print is what tells the real story .

When did I ever say that all CWs are the same? I even stated that some can be acceptable if it does not affect anyone negatively and it gets a good fight made.

You said that Floyd's CW on Canelo was OK but Manny's wasn't on Cotto. That to me makes me question whether you can make an objective opinion on anything related to Manny or Floyd.

[Reloaded]

When did I ever say that all CWs are the same? I even stated that some can be acceptable if it does not affect anyone negatively and it gets a good fight made.

You said that Floyd's CW on Canelo was OK but Manny's wasn't on Cotto. That to me makes me question whether you can make an objective opinion on anything related to Manny or Floyd.

But I didn't say that and Im not saying that , that's my point you don't read the whole thing , I didn't say it was ok I said I can understand why he did it , I dont like CWs , doesn't mean they are all wrong , some are fcked some are no problems and get a great fight made , judge them on there merits not throw a blanket over them , itsw like all the PED BS in here , every muscled winner is on PEDS so say the fanbase of the losing fighter .

Cotto was drained and there is a lot of evidence to support that , the comments from him , the fight itself , but the most standout part is Manny refusing point blank to fight him without the CW in the first fight , even though they said Cotto was damaged goods it was 145 or no fight , but the second time Manny refused to fight Cotto even though he beat the crap out of , tells me in Mannys mind the weight is crucial to a Cotto fight , he wont fight him healthy .

In Floyd case there was nothing off Im walking without the weight from Floyd , not to say it wouldn't happened it may have , but it didn't ! so we don't know there .
We don't know if the weight is good for Canelo or bad its to early , so far it looks good going on what they are saying about having training so more professionalfor this fight with altitude training nutrition experts , his weight now at 165 is spot on , so far everything looks like a great camp from Canelo .

Canelo being physically bigger than Cotto must mean 2lbs to him is less draining that 2lbs to Cotto , it has to be , yet you claim Cotto was fine and Canelo will be drained , that is just argumentative fanboy BS , in the very least we must wait until the fight to see if Canelo is in the same condition Cotto was in .

Canelo is undefeated and 22 , not coming of his worst beating and not near the end of his career , he has an undefeated mind and will be trained to perfection , in my eyes its a very dangerous fight for Floyd at this stage of his career , he will be in with a very strong undefeated fast handed opponent , and you talk of me not being objective lol , you need to read your own posts .