Eubank-V-Hopkins regarding tactics/technique/trainer potential

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  • coghaugen
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    Eubank-V-Hopkins regarding tactics/technique/trainer potential

    Hopkins:



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    Eubank:
    'For power, your legs generate more force than your elbows and your hips generate more force than your shoulders. Therefore you must bend the knees and rotate the torso; to do that you must place your weight on the balls of your back foot, to prevent your front knee from snapping, and the rest is a chain reaction - toe extension, foot extension, knee flexion, hip rotation, pectorial flexion, arm extension, forearm tension, wrist tension and knuckle connection. The trick is to not throw the right hand unless your opponent is over your right foot. If your opponent is not over your right foot, you'll generate more power with a left hook or even a jab.'

    'The left hook is a punch in which you go into the same position but with the chain stopping at your hip, so that your weight is shifted to the balls of your front foot, you then start a new chain off your front foot, turning onto your toe, through foot, knee, hip, chest, arm, forearm, wrist and knuckle, and you know you're throwing it correctly if the heel of your back foot naturally lands at the precise time that your index and middle knuckles connect.

    'If you can master the pivot, you then need to master angle of the arm in order to actually land it with that force you've generated, that force you've generated like an Olympic weightlifter would generate for instance.'

    'Those are the two basic power punches. There are 12 punches to master and a number of variations on each. And that's only offense, then there's defense. And that's only initiating punishment, then there's absorbing it yourself.'

    'People talk about range and height and reach, and that's all well and good. But it counts for nothing. If you stay below the opponents eye level and stay out of the opponents reach, you're as safe as houses - shall I tell you for why, for why is because;
    'For #1 - if you're below your opponents eye level, regardless of any height differential, you have more leverage than your opponent, offensively and defensively and more to see and land at, and,
    'For #2 - if you're out of range, your opponent has to step in first and you have the advantage of leverage and aim if you decide to stay put, or you have to step in and again you have the advantage of leverage and aim if he decides to stay put, and,
    'For #3 is this - a jab to the body or right hand to the body can be executed from halfway across the ring through a mere step with the front foot, and provided you release straight without moving your gloves or turning your shoulders - making it harder to read - and provided your front foot lands at the precise time your glove lands, it is in actual fact a safe move from a safe position.

    'To improve and increase your range and reach even further, I would recommend learning to perform splits and back bends proficiently in your training, allowing you also to flex in the opposing direction too if you did get caught out from a particular distance, preventing you getting caught.'







    Or, why don't they just team up and poach young black athletes in US/UK from other sports and double-team train them?
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    thanks for that! i'd already read the eubank piece but not seen the video.
    before watching the video i would have assumed eubank would be better, given his deep and well considered understanding of the sport- a real student of the sport- and his ability to communicate it. i would have imagined that hopkins wouldn't have the correct temperament to be a coach (though i'm not certain eubank would either) but listening to him speak i'm certainly reconsidering that. i don't know how either would be on a day to day basis however, especially in terms of planning out a training camp- it's one thing to be able to impart knowledge like hopkins is here, and another to be a full time coach.
    regardless, both men are WELL WORTH LISTENING TO! much more so than a lot of fighters that haven't spent too much time to think deeply and understand. this is what has kept hopkins going so long- he's nowhere near the physical condition that he used to have yet he's performing still and making young champs look very uneducated in their sport.

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      you notice both guys have obviously paid a lot of attention to high quality martial arts too?* boxing is my passion and i don't practice other martial arts (did some muay thai years ago) but i think something that is wrong with boxing is that it doesn't have that same level of widespread development and analysis. doesn't really surprise me then that eubank and hopkins paid attention and learnt from this approach, it shows.
      *and ancient warfare, which was very well analysed and thought out.

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          hopkins is far more intelligent in the ring, far more skilled and would make a much better trainer imo. eubank is above average in terms of both being a thinking fighter and a fighter of immense skill but hopkins is top of the food chain in those areas. lots of things i read or heard from eubank thats plain rubbish imo, hopkins on the other hand is a genius.

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            Plain rubbish?

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            • Porter's Dad
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              #7
              Originally posted by #1Assassin
              hopkins is far more intelligent in the ring, far more skilled and would make a much better trainer imo. eubank is above average in terms of both being a thinking fighter and a fighter of immense skill but hopkins is top of the food chain in those areas. lots of things i read or heard from eubank thats plain rubbish imo, hopkins on the other hand is a genius.
              If we're talking strictly about whose words are more interesting and insightful when it comes to boxing, everything I have read from Eubank is far better than anything I have read/heard from Hopkins (which is not a diss on Hopkins, BTW).

              Of course, there's no doubt who the better fighter was - but in terms who articulates their thoughts with more clarity and beauty, it's Eubank. People get dazzled by Hopkins hamming it up, added to the fact that he's still fighting at 47.

              Eubank somehow has managed to retrospectively capture what it was like to be in the heat of the battle with so much intelligence and clarity, it's pretty remarkable.

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              • coghaugen
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