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  • Originally posted by JaNnO
    you're easily convinced and yet you just seen a handful of pacs fights .... or you just can't accept the fact that a guy like pacquiao can beat the hell out of a highly regarded fighter like mab.

    what are you talkin about, pac did adjust in the fight in rounds 7 thru 12 and took the initiative again in the later rounds.
    Whoaa Horsey! Don't take it personally. When Pac floored Marquez the first time I was screaming for him to finish it, he was amazing. I damned near pissed my pants waiting for Pac to take Marquez out after Round 1. I actually thought Pac was going to wrap-it-up in Round #2! But, Pac couldn't do it. For the rest of the fight, he didn't show anything but the exact same head bob and BIG lunging left.

    If you are convinced there was some significant style "adjustment" by Pac from MAB and Marquez, explain it to me and the rest of the world. And, by the way, Pac fans love Lederman's card, but many people didn't see the late rounds the same way. But, that doesn't make us Pac haters, I just don't think he can beat Marquez in a rematch.

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    • Marquez was caught off guard by Manny~s speed and power. As Marquez adjusted he outboxed Manny with ease. Expect the same in the second fight unless Manny starts throwing a wider variety of punches.

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      • Originally posted by Munn
        Whoaa Horsey! Don't take it personally. When Pac floored Marquez the first time I was screaming for him to finish it, he was amazing. I damned near pissed my pants waiting for Pac to take Marquez out after Round 1. I actually thought Pac was going to wrap-it-up in Round #2! But, Pac couldn't do it. For the rest of the fight, he didn't show anything but the exact same head bob and BIG lunging left.

        If you are convinced there was some significant style "adjustment" by Pac from MAB and Marquez, explain it to me and the rest of the world. And, by the way, Pac fans love Lederman's card, but many people didn't see the late rounds the same way. But, that doesn't make us Pac haters, I just don't think he can beat Marquez in a rematch.
        Not so fast cowboy, I'm not taking your posts personally, i never have. Pac does a lot of bobbing & weaving and throws a lot of his 1-2 combination because that's the style where he is most successful. It's his advantage to weave and bob rather than become a stationary target. A fighter doesn't need to change his style to make an adjustment, all he needs to do is to make an adjustment to his rhythm and timing, box a little bit, throw more varied combinations and then deliver his most lethal weapon(s) when the opportunity presents itself.

        I don't need to explain Pac's showing against Barrera because that one is not even debatable -- the fight wasn't even close. In the Marquez fight starting in round 7 where he started to get the initiative in the fight and especially in round 9, Pac tried to use some boxing skills, going into MArquez's body and head with his right jabs and hooks to set up his most lethal 1-2 combination.

        Now to enlighten some of you who are saying that Pac only won round 1. Take a second look again. In round 2, Marquez was able to connect 8 punches vs. Pac's 18 (mostly hard punches). He was able to stop Marquez's rally and had the advantage in rounds 7,9,10 and 12 was close but I saw Pac winning it so did the HBO crew, so Pac won at least 5 of the last 11 rounds including the 1st round where he sent Marquez to the canvass 3 times.

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        • Originally posted by JaNnO
          Not so fast cowboy, I'm not taking your posts personally, i never have. Pac does a lot of bobbing & weaving and throws a lot of his 1-2 combination because that's the style where he is most successful. It's his advantage to weave and bob rather than become a stationary target. A fighter doesn't need to change his style to make an adjustment, all he needs to do is to make an adjustment to his rhythm and timing, box a little bit, throw more varied combinations and then deliver his most lethal weapon(s) when the opportunity presents itself.

          I don't need to explain Pac's showing against Barrera because that one is not even debatable -- the fight wasn't even close. In the Marquez fight starting in round 7 where he started to get the initiative in the fight and especially in round 9, Pac tried to use some boxing skills, going into MArquez's body and head with his right jabs and hooks to set up his most lethal 1-2 combination.

          Now to enlighten some of you who are saying that Pac only won round 1. Take a second look again. In round 2, Marquez was able to connect 8 punches vs. Pac's 18 (mostly hard punches). He was able to stop Marquez's rally and had the advantage in rounds 7,9,10 and 12 was close but I saw Pac winning it so did the HBO crew, so Pac won at least 5 of the last 11 rounds including the 1st round where he sent Marquez to the canvass 3 times.
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          Nice observation.

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          • Marquez never outboxed Pacman with ease. In my opinion and he lost the last 3 out of 4 rounds. He will not knockout Marquez in round 1, 2, and probably not round 3 but if he can mix it up which he is working on with roach he will give Marquez hell. It will be a fasted pace fight and Marquez will lead on the score cards most of the fight until he gets caught and goes to sleep. Pacman in 10.

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            • keep dreaming.

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              • Originally posted by cheech306
                keep dreaming.

                Cheech I think the main reason why he is on a
                mission to get the Mexicans is that they currently
                are the fighters worth fighting in the feather & superfeather divisions right now. My bet is that if it were other nationalities dominating those divisions, Pac will be on the same mission to get them.

                Of course there are the other champs: Korean In-Jin Chi and UK's Scott Harrison, but the money-making fights are obviously those with the Mexican boys
                Last edited by THRILLAinmanila; 01-03-2005, 03:16 AM.

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                • Originally posted by THRILLAinMANILA
                  Cheech I think the main reason why he is on a
                  mission to get the Mexicans is that they currently
                  are the fighters worth fighting in the feather & superfeather divisions right now. My bet is that if it were other nationalities dominating those divisions, Pac will be on the same mission to get them.

                  Of course there are the other champs: Korean In-Jin Chi and UK's Scott Harrison, but the money-making fights are obviously those with the Mexican boys
                  Absolutely right about that...they are where the moneys at!

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                  • Originally posted by m00ks
                    Marquez got caught cuz he ASKED for it. When you square your shoulder's up and trade. You WILL get hit. Pac looked smaller so Marquez thought he had teh power advantage. After the third knockdown it looked liek it was over, but JMM didn't wanna wake up the next morning thinking all that training was for getting knocked out in round 1. And so he valiantly got up.

                    And Barrera's body gave up before his heart. He fell down due to exhaustion in the end. Eventually his heart gave way.
                    Barrera's heart gave up before his body. It was easily apparent by what he was saying and his suggestions especially when the headbutt occured half way through the bout.

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                    • keep dreaming watch the fight again and you will see even after Marquez got his feet back under him he had trouble with Manny.

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