is it too late for pavlik?

[ralph22]

is it too late for pavlik to get a new trainer??and try to improve r.garcia new trainer.to me if he really wants to improve he should of hire manny steward..steward is a master at bringing damage fighters back.

[Mr.0pal]

Yes, it's over for Pavlik. He needs to focus on staying sober. Drugs & boxing don't mix.

[freedom213]

Yes, it's over for Pavlik. He needs to focus on staying sober. Drugs & boxing don't mix.

Wrong, Pavliks biggest problem will be patience and sticking with the program. He has the tools he just needs to bring them out against the right opponents then he can step back in against the upper class of the division.

[BeefyBeefCake]

That loss to Hopkins really shook him up bad. Add that with drugs and alcohol, it's not a good mix. I think he's done imho.

[New England]

Yes.


i love kelly as much as the next guy but he's done in so many different ways

[BostonGuy]

I'm always surprised how fight fans are so quick to write a fighter off "as done." Pavlik is still a young man in a sport where guys 3, 5, 10 years older than him are performing at elite levels; he's also not taken an inordinate amout of punishment in his career so he's definitely (Lennox) not a shot fighter. He's struggled with his personal demons over the last 3-4 years but by no means does that limit him from making a meaningful comeback...

Pavlik needs to get back into the gym, back into the routine and back into the ring and frequently at that. He needs to work with a new trainer, focus on his health and family and get that hunger back. In boxing, we've seen guys make more improbable comebacks, time and time again, and I don't see why Pavlik can't do the same..

[dharone]

Wrong, Pavliks biggest problem will be patience and sticking with the program. He has the tools he just needs to bring them out against the right opponents then he can step back in against the upper class of the division.

If only it was that simple. Substance abuse is no joke

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Depends on how serious he is about getting better. Boxing can give him the discipline he needs if he really wants to change. If he's half-hearted about giving up the drink, it'll show in the ring and he'll fail.

[New England]

I'm always surprised how fight fans are so quick to write a fighter off "as done." Pavlik is still a young man in a sport where guys 3, 5, 10 years older than him are performing at elite levels; he's also not taken an inordinate amout of punishment in his career so he's definitely (Lennox) not a shot fighter. He's struggled with his personal demons over the last 3-4 years but by no means does that limit him from making a meaningful comeback...

Pavlik needs to get back into the gym, back into the routine and back into the ring and frequently at that. He needs to work with a new trainer, focus on his health and family and get that hunger back. In boxing, we've seen guys make more improbable comebacks, time and time again, and I don't see why Pavlik can't do the same..

he's been given many chances to at least make some headway in the right direction and he's done nothing


even if he's physically capable, he's burned so many bridges


he's also never been anything but a blue collar worker in there
even at his best he went through hell in victory. i havn't seen anything that makes me think he can deal with any of the guys at 168 long enough to break them down and start landing the right hand.



even without all of the bull**** he's brought on himself i don't think he'd have a chance to get anywhere near where he was at higher weight classes.
he was a gigantic MW with punching power. at 168 he's physically much more ordinary.




and on kelly pavlik not taking punishment...
other than hopkins he was never really beat up, but he's developed a pattern of taking punishment in victory and defeat for some time now

check his fights with zertuche
miranda
etc. (in fact, i'll shamelessly plug my history section thread on kelly and refer to it)


the guy has taken his share of punches. and he's got a style that historically leads to an early peak.
sorry, brother, but he's got way to much working against him
i'm starting to doubt his abilities to even fight again, nevermind regain his old form


he hasn't even cleaned up his problems with drinking

[Redd Foxx]

Though I like to believe it's never too late, the reasons for his recent setbacks and the fact that these problems have lingered tells me that he'll unlikely ever be on the same level that he once was.