Must Be Because All The Best Prospects Are in the NFL and NBA!

[Haglerwins]

MONEY

I swear that a few of you that rail so hard against this argument are ******ed.

The flux away from boxing is entirely fundamental.

Football especially, is a paradise for big, fast, physical specimens. The primary components are speed, field awareness, and strength for most positions in the game. All you have to be, is big and strong and a cut above moron and you have a chance.

You don't have to be a primary ball carrier to be successful.

You can even be a big strong fatass and be successful. (offensive lineman)

You can be a second stringer/post-practice squad player and be successful (make 6 figures)

You can be a second stringer that doesn't even play and be successful. (back up quarterback)

Who wouldn't want to be a part of a league that was lighter on dexterity than most sports and you can still have a career where you make hand over fist in moolah?

Boxing? lol

Why would any kid gravitate to that first outside of family ties or strange luck? That's like them working their own lemonade stand when they can get the quicker and better buck working at a fast food joint.

This issue is primarily economic. Hell, a kid would go for trying to make it as a recording artist for how potentially lucrative it is over boxing.

It's the sports' fault itself that it's become inaccessible and not economically viable compared to its counterparts to the young generation. This is what happens when you allow greed and corruption take hold in anything, it falls apart with everyone at the top keeping the spoils for themselves and not growing it.

U.S. Boxing's only real talent farm system are olympic squads for crying out loud. (bi-annual, 4 year cycles?)

Every other full contact sport has player grooming from kiddy leagues to college. And they're made aware of the financial incentives at those young ages. It's not even a contest boxing would be left in the dust as it is. It hasn't grown as a financial model for decades.

Best thing that could happen to it, is if they leagued it up and got it back on broadcast TV.

It will never even glancingly compete with the big 2 the way it is now.

[New England]

black americans are losing their HW boxing champions coz they are all going to nfl and nba...really?...thats the most pathetic excuse ive ever heard...

its really dumb to assume good nfl and nba althletes can automaticly be good boxers...

you dont need warriors to be successful in the nba or nfl...just good athletes with physical gifts..

warrior spirit is must to be succesful in boxing....the only exeption to that is floyd jr...

are you even serious?
if you dont have an A for a chin and heart you will not survive in the NFL

those guys have more heart than every one of the slobs that show up out of shape in the HW division


you really dont see many guys with the drive to even show up in shape outside of the klitschkos and a few amateur standouds.
how can you say that?

how can you call the current crop more motivated than the guys in the NFL
or say that they are real warriors


ray austin?
tony thompson?
that fat shhit chambers? (at least 25 lbs overweight)
fuccking fat arreola? (still at least 20 lbs overweight still and he's been as heavy as 300)
these guys are warriors?

and guys like
ray lewis
tirrell suggs
indomican suh

arent warriors?

do you guys even think when you say stuff?

[bose]

The best boxing is IN America but the greatest fighters come from everywhere and always have. You must remember that the sport is very young and when you have people from the countries in Europe migrate to America the different ethnic groups brought great fighters. Irish were first along with a few Germans, then Italians and Jews. It seemed that each had a 8 to 10 year influx time. Then the Islands were active and Mexico and Puerto Rico were always producing boxers of quality it seems. The sport had a visit from African boxers who trained very hard and offered excellant competition too. Now your seeing young people form the Sudans and the rest of the Middle East.
Boxing was a way up and out of trouble for youth who had anger and often walked into trouble. I'm not sure theres as many gyms today as there was through the 20s up till the 70s. I think theres fewer teachers now that are capable of teaching the "art" of boxing as opposed to fighting. You need to build strong bodies but your mind needs to be open so you can digest all the material your getting from a good teacher. To formuate words into motion and keep an edge that you need to be competitive. Do all that and stay calm and collective to be able to concentrate AND take a punch hahahaha lotts goin' on!! Its still the best country to box in and always will be we just need great fighters to bring the sport back to prominence. Ray Corso

100 percent agreed!

[bose]

are you even serious?
if you dont have an A for a chin and heart you will not survive in the NFL

those guys have more heart than every one of the slobs that show up out of shape in the HW division


you really dont see many guys with the drive to even show up in shape outside of the klitschkos and a few amateur standouds.
how can you say that?

how can you call the current crop more motivated than the guys in the NFL
or say that they are real warriors


ray austin?
tony thompson?
that fat shhit chambers? (at least 25 lbs overweight)
fuccking fat arreola? (still at least 20 lbs overweight still and he's been as heavy as 300)
these guys are warriors?

and guys like
ray lewis
tirrell suggs
indomican suh

arent warriors?

do you guys even think when you say stuff?

All those heavyweights you mentioned would ko the football guys you mentioned. And i have no doubt they'd bring in the same toughness to a football field.

[bose]

Plenty of top athletes that didn't make it to the pros (football and basketball) that could have gone to boxing but didn't which makes me think very few of the pro's would have chosen boxing if they did not get to the pros. This topic is lame.

[The Future]

MONEY

I swear that a few of you that rail so hard against this argument are ******ed.

The flux away from boxing is entirely fundamental.

Football especially, is a paradise for big, fast, physical specimens. The primary components are speed, field awareness, and strength for most positions in the game. All you have to be, is big and strong and a cut above moron and you have a chance.

You don't have to be a primary ball carrier to be successful.

You can even be a big strong fatass and be successful. (offensive lineman)

You can be a second stringer/post-practice squad player and be successful (make 6 figures)

You can be a second stringer that doesn't even play and be successful. (back up quarterback)

Who wouldn't want to be a part of a league that was lighter on dexterity than most sports and you can still have a career where you make hand over fist in moolah?

Boxing? lol

Why would any kid gravitate to that first outside of family ties or strange luck? That's like them working their own lemonade stand when they can get the quicker and better buck working at a fast food joint.

This issue is primarily economic. Hell, a kid would go for trying to make it as a recording artist for how potentially lucrative it is over boxing.

It's the sports' fault itself that it's become inaccessible and not economically viable compared to its counterparts to the young generation. This is what happens when you allow greed and corruption take hold in anything, it falls apart with everyone at the top keeping the spoils for themselves and not growing it.

U.S. Boxing's only real talent farm system are olympic squads for crying out loud. (bi-annual, 4 year cycles?)

Every other full contact sport has player grooming from kiddy leagues to college. And they're made aware of the financial incentives at those young ages. It's not even a contest boxing would be left in the dust as it is. It hasn't grown as a financial model for decades.

Best thing that could happen to it, is if they leagued it up and got it back on broadcast TV.

It will never even glancingly compete with the big 2 the way it is now.

I am going to disagree with you slightly, while money has a bit to do with it its not the major factor. the real factor In the decline of the American heavyweights is failing the develop amature fighters. Kids are not really thinking about the money rather the fame. Its the culture In the states that is the main culprit. Big kids are pushed to basketball and football. And there amature systems are just insane now. American kids watch TV and see there sports stars everywhere, go out and they can easily join leagues, which no doubt adults around influence the decision. Its not look he can be HW champ one day its "he has the size to be a center, linebacker, etc etc"

That is the main reason.


People outside the states don't want to agree with all this, mainly because to them it casts doubt on their fighters. Unrightfully so.

[Cutthroat]

not just that how many 135lb linebackers are there?

You don't have to be big to play high school football, but you have to be big to succeed and play in the pro and college ranks.

Occasionally you'll get genetic freaks with amazing athletic ability that allows them to overcome their small size like Brandon Banks who is just 5'7 155lbs or Desean Jackson 5'10 170lbs, or even some running backs who have had to pack on all sorts of muscle like Maurice Jones Drew who is VERY good and is just 5'6 210lbs.

The NFL is nothing but genetic freaks.

[puga]

are you even serious?
if you dont have an A for a chin and heart you will not survive in the NFL

those guys have more heart than every one of the slobs that show up out of shape in the HW division


you really dont see many guys with the drive to even show up in shape outside of the klitschkos and a few amateur standouds.
how can you say that?

how can you call the current crop more motivated than the guys in the NFL
or say that they are real warriors


ray austin?
tony thompson?
that fat shhit chambers? (at least 25 lbs overweight)
fuccking fat arreola? (still at least 20 lbs overweight still and he's been as heavy as 300)
these guys are warriors?

and guys like
ray lewis
tirrell suggs
indomican suh

arent warriors?

do you guys even think when you say stuff?

bullfuking ****...what im sayin is that not becuase some athlete in nfl or nba is good, does'nt automactily mean he can be a good boxer as well...boxing is mostly mental....nfl is mostly atletiscm and physical attributes...so the excuse that the reason why US has no hw boxing champion is becuase all the guys are going to nfl and nba is ****ing big BULL****....nothing but big BULLL****

thats like sayin kobe bryant and michael vick would've been a hw world champion if they took boxing ...it's BULL****!...

[Haglerwins]

I am going to disagree with you slightly, while money has a bit to do with it its not the major factor. the real factor In the decline of the American heavyweights is failing the develop amature fighters. Kids are not really thinking about the money rather the fame. Its the culture In the states that is the main culprit. Big kids are pushed to basketball and football. And there amature systems are just insane now. American kids watch TV and see there sports stars everywhere, go out and they can easily join leagues, which no doubt adults around influence the decision. Its not look he can be HW champ one day its "he has the size to be a center, linebacker, etc etc"

because it's ridiculously lucrative, ie Money

can't develop what's being lured away by big money, even if it is indirect.

[The Future]

because it's ridiculously lucrative, ie Money

can't develop what's being lured away by big money, even if it is indirect.

You must not be a parent, its really not about the money when there kids. Up here in Canada we get pushed to hockey, its our culture. Its not about the money. I wanted to play hockey cause I saw it Everywhere and all my friends played. I wanted to be the great one at one point......and I had no clue what he made. And my parents just wanted me to be active and have fun.