Announcer Dude: So does it ever occur to you two to have a 4th fight?
Morales: Well I don't think so. They've asked me with a lot of insistence. I don't think so, and I don't because I remember clearly that he (Barrera) doesn't want to move up in weight. They didn't like 130, and they said they couldn't do 135; I don't want to go below 140.
Announcer Dude: The weight would be the principal matter then...
Morales: I don't think he'll get to 140.
MAB: It's more than the weight. Look...I've mentioned it here, I've seen a lot of emails, the people say "Marco.."....you know, I wouldn't want to stain that trilogy. I'm really happy with the trilogy.
Announcer Dude: A good point.
MAB: I'm happy. (Morales laughs) If he wants a fourth one, then it's a question of us elaborating on that (laughs). Anything can happen, anything can happen; but as he says, there's the weight. For example, if I weigh myself now and I weigh 66 kilos (145.2lbs), for super-lightweight; I bring an extra what, 2 or 3 kilos. So imagine, I'd be even chubbier than I am now, because I've always fought at smaller weights. I went from super flyweight to super featherweight. And so it's already difficult for me.
Announcer Dude: And if there were a good purse on the line, wouldn't the effort be there then?
MAB: Let's see!
Morales: When? When? (laughs)
MAB: Where do we sign (laughs)? No, it's like anything; if Erik Morales and me decide, "I'll give you half", then anything can happen.
(broadcast cuts)
MAB: Don't miss a special next edition of Golpe A Golpe with Erik Morales.
Morales: That's right, we'll be here.
(Broadcast returns with all 3 in the Golpe A Golpe Ring)
Announcer Dude: It's the Golpe A Golpe Ring with Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik "El Terrible" Morales. So Marco, what better opportunity, we're face to face; how did it go then?
MAB: Well we're going to make the people happy and give them a virtual 4th, you could say. And so we'll be seeing the technique of what he needed to do to get the triumph over 12 rounds, and he'll have to teach us the famous "Terribleņa."
Morales: Well what happens is...we're here (gets into stance opposite MAB), and you're always...whenever you throw, he blocks. I throw the (right) uppercut, he blocks; I throw the uppercut, he blocks; I throw the uppercut (feints uppercut, throws overhand right, then pivots into a left uppercut-straight right combination inside) boom-boom-boom! In reality, the blow (overhand right) doesn't have a lot of force with it; what it does do is it positions me to throw a combination; one brings me to the next one. The strongest one is to go downstairs in order to open a hole, throw an uppercut (throws long left uppercut), and stretch myself so that my whole body can go into the punch (throws big right hand.)
Announcer Dude: So it's a combination, not a punch...
Morales: It's a combination, not a punch.
MAB: It's between a feint and a combination. And also, he can show us what the key to beating Manny Pacquiao is, since he's the only Mexican whose been able to do it.
Announcer Dude: You've both fought with him-how many times now?
MAB: Two for me, and three for him, with that one victory, with which he's the only Mexican fighter to beat that great fighter. And so he can teach us, what was I think a bit more of movement and distance (gets into southpaw stance).
Morales: The thing with Pacquiao is that he has this (lead) hand here (out in front), and this other (rear) hand down here, very low. So what he does, what Pacquiao does, is that he attacks you with the jab 2 or 3 times, lunges with his left hand, and steps (MAB steps into left.) It's a very big error. But if you throw the jab this way, and walk in this direction (jabs while stepping leftwards), so what happens? When he tries to step over with the left, I'm right here waiting (leans back and throws counter right-left uppercut-right hand combination) bam-bam-bam! But I never gave him time to let that hand go. I would be here, boom, boom (parries jabs), blocking him, with the (lead) hand held high, crouched, and when he wanted that left to come out, I'd stand straight up and boom (counters over the top with a right straight), because he would throw it here (points to lower point where his head used to be crouched). So distance, movements, knowing how to step....if you watch, all-all-all-all of his fights, his opponents stand in front, and step so lightly to the left (lightly makes leftward steps), not behind him.
Announcer Dude: But is that zone..is that something that you figured during the fight, or is that something that you studied?
Morales: No, no, no. That's something that you study, that you practice; you put yourself to watch videos and you say ok, here are the moments and the timing; there are moments and timings to throw a punch, to block, to throw combinations...
Announcer Dude: And apart from that, what you learn over the course of the fight.
Morales: What you go on to improvise during the fight, yes. For example, he had holes...we'd be here (trades punches with southpaw MAB), I'd throw the jab, throw the jab, and he'd back up like this (holds hands up), and (throws straight right to the body) BOOM! He'd give me the target and I'd throw at it.
Announcer Dude: Clottey spent the whole time in his guard, Erik.
Morales: What he did was stay (in his shell), and he'd get his punches in on him. The only thing missing was his aggressiveness. He'd stay there (shells up), stay there, stay there, stay there...but when he threw (throws 1-2), he hit him. But there wasn't any consistency.
MAB: He (Pacquiao) used his speed, his lateral movements...
Announcer Dude: Now Erik, why did Marco Antonio Barrera cause you so many problems at the end of each round in all of your fights?
Morales: Because I looked to work the whole round; I'd work 3 minutes, and he'd work 10 seconds, in the first fight. And due to how tired I was...
Announcer Dude: So you'd say, "I won the round, I'll rest", and step around?
Morales: Yes, I'd walk, but he'd throw me to the ropes and throw himself at me- with all due respect of course, but he'd throw at me anything that landed, and so that part was made very difficult for me. So due to fatigue I'd almost be facing front against the ropes, withstanding the punches (lays against ropes). I'd get away (wiggles upper body from MAB's punches), but it was difficult.
Announcer Dude: How come you couldn't take advantage of your reach in those last seconds?
Morales: Well because when you don't have the physical condition- the stamina to walk, to move- you said to me of my last fight "Hey Erik, you looked good over 12 rounds"; well that's because I practiced, I had good conditioning, I felt very good in terms of my legs...the fighter I had in front of me does hit hard, but it doesn't overly affect you.
Announcer Dude: It's not all on top of you; you don't have to carry his weight.
Morales: The resources are different for this fighter, for Alfaro. They're very poor. In the case of Marco, he's always on top of you, and especially when inside and short, it was his game. And so I'd work 2 minutes on his outside diameter...
Announcer Dude: But Marco would come on in the end.
MAB: I had to do work to be able to score. The trainers know: the judge is left in his mind with his last impression, and that's what we took advantage of throughout.
Morales: But at the end of the day, I was left with the better impression, and not him, because the judges weren't deceived. But regardless...
Announcer Dude: Well he won 2 of 3.
Morales: Not the first. The first I brought home. I think that, without depreciating the work he did, I pushed, round after round, and he would cover up, and I think that's what the judges took note of. I think he had very good moments; I think his 10 seconds were very powerful, especially to the public, and for the judges, but the judges in the end scored in total and that worked in my favor.
Announcer Dude: What's fact is that it was a fantastic trilogy. There was the Ring of Golpe A Golpe with Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. We'll return after a brief pause.
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You will never hear any brilliant strategy breakdowns such as this one from any of the Mayweathers.
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