Holyfield vs either BRO?

[Boxing Bob]

Evander beat Valuev? News to me! I get it now jimmy you think the brother ain't gettin their just dues. Do you think a win vs this version of Evander will help? Oh, I forgot in your world this version of Holyfield and the 1996 version is one and the same? I'll say it again I want my hero (Holyfield) to walk away with his legacy, dignity and health intact, not carried out on his back like you insist would be justified

[raf727]

WORST & BEST CASE SCENARIOS????Ok... enough with all the bollshet... what are we REALLY afraid of? Let's realistically take a look at this logically & NOT illogically. Let's start with the absolute worst case scenario & then the best case scenario. Worst case ofcourse being an APollo Creed down beatdown resulting in death. Best case scenario.. Holyfield ko'ing both brother's back to back. OK.. we can agree that i have just given the ultimate negative & positive aspects that can possibly come out of this matchup (s).

Now I ask the board.. REALISTICALLY given HOLYFIELD'S history.. which scenario is MORE likely to happen.. IS he more likely to die or is he more likely to live with all 4 belts resting around his waist? I've left off purposely ALL the possible scenarios that can happen in between because of the ENTIRE forum's ALL or nothing thinking when it comes to the dreaded matchup. Just answer the question that was presented... what is more likely to happen.. Holyfield DEATH or Holyfield REBIRTH.. if you feel like taking a 50/50 stance>>> then explain the reasoning behind it.

This question is raised for the ENTIRE boxing forum... what are we REALLY scared of.. are we justifiably scared or are we projecting our fears onto the potential bouts?

given the context of your question, with the two answers being the most extreme, i have to say holyfield has a better chance of retiring with the belts than dying in the ring.

you almost cant count holyfield out ever because he proves you wrong, it wasnt too long ago david haye fought wlad and brought in a belt that holyfield should have rightfully won from valuev. while i think he has no real shot of beating the brothers or even getting a shot at them, i dont think he would die in the ring hes evander god damned holyfield after all

fight on brother

[jimmy1569]

given the context of your question, with the two answers being the most extreme, i have to say holyfield has a better chance of retiring with the belts than dying in the ring.

you almost cant count holyfield out ever because he proves you wrong, it wasnt too long ago david haye fought wlad and brought in a belt that holyfield should have rightfully won from valuev. while i think he has no real shot of beating the brothers or even getting a shot at them, i dont think he would die in the ring hes evander god damned holyfield after all

fight on brother

Thank you for being the only one straightforward enough to answer the question as it was posed.... The question was posed not because I don't know what people will think the likely outcome will be... it was asked strictly to show everyone that are predicting doom & let's face it.. when people don't want you to fight a certain opponent because they feel you'll be jeapordizing your health.. they'll come up with the extreme versions & scenarios & while MANY will refute the fact they don't envision Holyfield dying in the ring vs either brother.. they use this very scenario to justify there opinion that he shouldn't be allowed to fight them despite the actual fact that he's more than qualified to do so & in most instances more qualified than any other heavyweight out there.


The risk & the dangers assosciated with fighting either Klitschko is all in our perceptions.. has NOTHING whatsoever to do with reality.. it's a PROJECTED fear. YOU all think Evander Holyfield is ****** enough to jeapordize his health & his life by stepping foot in the ring with either brother without having the wherewhithawal to protect himself at all times?


That's a complete insult to a legend who YOU are all insulting & don't even know it... if you all REALLY had his best interests at heart.. you wouldn't be dismissing him as delusional & to the point of laughingstock as you surely are doing.. i'm not talking about you but most fans that have completely blown off his aspirations & goals WITH overtures of being broke.. being shot & every other disrespectful thing we can come up with just to dismiss what he's trying to accomplish.

I'm sorry but a true fan has trust in Evander Holyfield to protect himself in the boxing ring & NOT make up phoney a$$$ SHET like he can't just because he'd be facing the brothers from the Ukraine... Is he the same Holy as 96...? Nope he's 14 yrs older.... but he's the SAME GODDAMN person with the same EXACT beating heart.... anybody else would've stopped this venture a long time ago.. the fact that he's still sticking to what he's been saying for the past decade or so just shows you that he means to see it through.. so why don't we ****ing LET HIM for a change & start backing him..


iF WE would've done this he'd have already fought the Klitschko's YEARS ago & most likely wouldn't be fighting at this advanced age... just think about what i'm telling all of you's... deep down you know i'm right but have too much pride to admit you've all wronged a legend.

[Daddy T]

why does the op keep trying to hype a fight between old man holyfield and one of the brothers? He just wants to have a name casual fans can recognise their records or something? A win over holyfield for one of them proves nothing the guy is a shadow of what he once was. An old fat james toney beat him years ago, he was unable to convince the judges that he beat the freak valuev who can't box for **** and he hasn't gotten any younger since then then. People should be encouraging evander to retire for his health not trying to convince him that he has a shot against one of the brothers.

[jimmy1569]

Yeah, and that's one big reason it will never happen...maybe Evander can get a fight with Povetkin, that's about his only chance at a title of any kind.

Evander is not in it to win a 'title' He's in it to win all of the titles or it might as well not count. If he would've gotten the just decision over Valuev.. he wouldn't have stopped there as that wasn't the goal.. he would've went on to unify vs ThE Klitschko's.... .. WHEN hOLYFIELD first started the venture.. the belts were fragmented into 4 pieces... now it's only two.. so he'd only have to win twice.. ofcourse he'll have to win vs 2 alltime great brothers at the TOP of there games & at the height of dominance that is unprecedented in the heavyweight division.. so yes it's against all odds.. but we're talking Evander HERE & if he believes he's capable of doing it.. then i believe in letting him attempt to do so... obviously if he beat Povetkin & got the silly little alphabet title.. the brothers couldn't aptly dismiss him.

[jimmy1569]

why does the op keep trying to hype a fight between old man holyfield and one of the brothers? He just wants to have a name casual fans can recognise their records or something? A win over holyfield for one of them proves nothing the guy is a shadow of what he once was. An old fat james toney beat him years ago, he was unable to convince the judges that he beat the freak valuev who can't box for **** and he hasn't gotten any younger since then then. People should be encouraging evander to retire for his health not trying to convince him that he has a shot against one of the brothers.

This has nothing to do with enhancing the Klitshcko's resume & EVERYthing to do with enhancing Evander's resume. What the brothers get out of this is fighting a legend.. exposure in the States they won't get from any other fighter... biggest payday once all the receipts are tabulated & they can potentially state that they were the ones to finally put an end to a great career.. NOT all negatives for the brother's in terms of taking the fight.. They're out of opponents anyways so no one realistically can bash them for it & we're pitting alltime great heavyweights vs one another.. since Klitschko vs Klitschko can't be done for obvious reasons.. the next greatest matchup that can be made is Holyfield vs Klitschko.

[Daddy T]

This has nothing to do with enhancing the Klitshcko's resume ... What the brothers get out of this is fighting a legend.. exposure in the States they won't get from any other fighter... biggest payday once all the receipts are tabulated & they can potentially state that they were the ones to finally put an end to a great career

[gauze]

when's the last time a heavyweight boxer died in the ring or from injuries sustained in a fight? i say holyfield stopping them is more likely than him dying.

[jimmy1569]

when's the last time a heavyweight boxer died in the ring or from injuries sustained in a fight? i say holyfield stopping them is more likely than him dying.

Yet... this is the logic most fans use to condemn the potential bout (s) & while they may not think it to that extreme... they are insinuating something close to that or nearly as bad.. when has Holyfield ever been beaten up in the fashion most think will occur if he faces either bro? Is it unrational fear or rational fear? Holyfield is more than capable of defending himself against any fighter even at 50. No one has beaten him up since he's gotten his license reinstated despite protests from the very same people who are against him fighting the brothers.... nothing much else i can say that i haven't said already.. the fear lies within us & has nothing whatsoever to do with Evander... you be the judge.

[sdcluser]

WORST & BEST CASE SCENARIOS????Ok... enough with all the bollshet... what are we REALLY afraid of? Let's realistically take a look at this logically & NOT illogically. Let's start with the absolute worst case scenario & then the best case scenario. Worst case ofcourse being an APollo Creed down beatdown resulting in death. Best case scenario.. Holyfield ko'ing both brother's back to back. OK.. we can agree that i have just given the ultimate negative & positive aspects that can possibly come out of this matchup (s).

Now I ask the board.. REALISTICALLY given HOLYFIELD'S history.. which scenario is MORE likely to happen.. IS he more likely to die or is he more likely to live with all 4 belts resting around his waist? I've left off purposely ALL the possible scenarios that can happen in between because of the ENTIRE forum's ALL or nothing thinking when it comes to the dreaded matchup. Just answer the question that was presented... what is more likely to happen.. Holyfield DEATH or Holyfield REBIRTH.. if you feel like taking a 50/50 stance>>> then explain the reasoning behind it.

This question is raised for the ENTIRE boxing forum... what are we REALLY scared of.. are we justifiably scared or are we projecting our fears onto the potential bouts?

Those highlighted words should not be any part of your threads given your history.

I think it's your second job (maybe first) to project your fear to us that the Klits bros are not what they really cracked up to be. What's the daily obsession with the Klitchkos?