steve kim is the biggest joke of boxing journalism...

[Mr. Philadel]

I don't read his articles or follow him on twitter....

[The Gambler1981]

Sometimes he is alright, sometimes not but a lot of his stuff is opinion driven so it all depends on how you feel about that.

That really isn't journalism, journalism is about getting facts without showing ones opinion so any writer where you can really tell their stance on an issue is not a journalist. Although at least these sorts of writers are fairly straight forward because they aren't trying be sneaky with where they are coming from~

I don't blame the writers though, I blame a lack of editorial oversight~

[New England]

I write for Max. I don't get paid. I would say besides Montoya and Kim, the rest don't get paid either.

How are they not journalists? They don't make a ton of money regardless, but somehow are making a living.What they do though is what journalists do. They do research, interviews, cover fights, use their money for attending fights throughout the states.

They are well knit in the boxing community and have a lot of credibility. It goes beyond just talking to a few boxers, they are well knit and well known. Hell I would say even less well known writers like myself are journalists just because of the process that it involves. Writing an article is much different than typing on here.

If you don't consider them journalists, what do you consider a journalist? Someone who has their degree in Journalism?

perhaps i should clarify a bit. to go through it in its entirety would take some time, but i'll do my best.

most of these guys dont generate enough interest // money to be economically viable as journalists
they arent getting paid because they arent making anybody tons of money.


if you want to call them journalists you are certainly welcome. it's the distinction we are making with the name that comes into question

having a degree in journalism, or a background in journalism or writing is a hell of a lot more than simply having a piece of paper

college (and graduate school) are where you learn what journalism is, how the pieces operate, what your goals will be in which ever area of media you choose, and how to go about implementing them

obviously nothing is more important than a sound understanding of boxing (or whichever sport is the writer's subject,) and entrenchment in it's culture, but to say that the largely untrained population of boxing writers with little more than a high school degree is going to have the aptitude for covering a sport than population with a serious pedigree would be false

as they say, come on, man.

my stance on this isn't orginal. boxing writers are about 95% mom's basement types. it's an internet based phenomenon, the boxing media, and largely unpaid.
if you are a slam **** writer with a degree at syracuse that cost you 150 grand you arent going to head to boxing unless you want to have a second job and be paying off your student loans your entire life.

i'm not talking specifically about steven kim and montoya when i say this neccessarily, but most of the folks you see at press row have very few credentials as writers, and almost none of them are even being compensated for their expenses, or making anybody any money

some of them are probably great writers, with plenty to offer to the game.
some might even have a degree or some background. but most of them, especially if its not a big fight and they've got a big media section, are hardly qualified.


i'm not saying that the current lot is without any value
hell, you might be a great writer, man.

i'm saying that a media populated with unpaid and untrained journalists isn't going to be on the level of one with a serious pedigree.



funny, too, because sportswriting was shaped immeasurably by boxing, and boxing's journalists used to be among the planet's best sports writers

[warp1432]

long post, but I read it.

About the pay, Boxing isn't a sport anymore where newspaper will send out writers. It's true that boxing writers have other day jobs or are in school like my case (for journalism, its something I want to make a career out of).

It's hard to make a consistent living out of being a writer, but writers like Ryan ******** and Mike Coppenger are younger and have made a living out of it. I'm not looking to be just a boxing writer, but its something I hope I can continue doing in the future.

I see your point, but journalism nowadays isn't a profession where the writers are making a lot of money. Its a hard line to define what a journalist is now, but I would consider people like Kim a journalist.

It's just a difference of opinion I guess. Nothing wrong with that, especially since it was well argued.

[PlayerKiller]

You were one of the onesss who was all up on that news. And you still are.

Even Steve Kim, the one who started the silly rumor, then came out and tweeted he was wrong and the fight did more than 1mill.

Dan Rafael, former Top Rank ****sucker, said it did more than 1mill.

HBO said it did 1.25mill.

Just because you never read the news, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

So when Dan disses Floyd he is a bad journalist?

Or how HBO said there was a 2nd negotiation with Pac and May, and May denied it...

[Patrick Boxing]

i follow the dude on twitter and if any of you guys follow him his tweets are always ; oscar/goldenboy= bad and bobarum/toprank= good......

dude does nothing but bash oscar and golden boy but never says one word about top rank ... surprisingly even after these new recent events i was looking forward to what he would say but this dude still disagrees with it being bob arum 's fault saying " youre ignorant if you think the blame is on bob arum " and instead just goes on with his normal every day jabs at golden boy and oscar...

after reading his timeline i realize he blocks anyone that calls him out on it, one guy wrote " you'll never throw bob arum under the bus".. and he responded with " great and now youre blocked"..... wtf

i pretty much just follow these guys to get news, unfortunately there is no such thing as an unbiased journalist any more than there is an honest politician

He works for Arum that's why

[Simply Zyzz]

He works for Arum that's why

makes perfect sense... especially after these recent news...

according to him, "its ignorant to blame arum".....

just said he got off the phone with him but has no breaking news.......


why?, cause he doesnt ask the real questions

[Mr. Ryan]

About the pay, Boxing isn't a sport anymore where newspaper will send out writers. It's true that boxing writers have other day jobs or are in school like my case (for journalism, its something I want to make a career out of).

It's hard to make a consistent living out of being a writer, but writers like Ryan ******** and Mike Coppenger are younger and have made a living out of it. I'm not looking to be just a boxing writer, but its something I hope I can continue doing in the future.

I see your point, but journalism nowadays isn't a profession where the writers are making a lot of money. Its a hard line to define what a journalist is now, but I would consider people like Kim a journalist.

It's just a difference of opinion I guess. Nothing wrong with that, especially since it was well argued.

It's a fun job, but it's still a job.

I disagree, it is possible to be just a writer and make a solid living. I do it, but it's not the easiest way to get by. Still, a writer's life allows one to be flexible and take impromptu trips, as long as the destination and route have wi-fi.

I know some writers who are making $1,000+ per article, though not in boxing. The main thing is loving what you do, and finding a way to get paid for it. It's possible.