Why are old-timers completely overrated???

[Roadblock]

It's nowhere near that simple. In my opinion there's a huge difference between 12 and 15 rounds. You can only pace yourself so much, especially in a tough fight. Eventually you're just going to have to push yourself in a way that you can't fully plan or calculate. It's not like these guys are just punching speed bags for 15 rounds. They're trying to hit and avoid getting it by other world class fighters. That's going to get harder and harder to do as the rounds go on and not just in a physical way but also a mental one.

What if you're in a real tough fight with a huge puncher or a guy who's faster than you or if your hand is broken? 15 rounds, much more often then 12, is going to force you to go the distance in a way that requires pure metal by which i mean mental strength. It's not something you can really train by exercising. I remember Ali said he felt like he was going to die in the later rounds in Ali vs Fraiser III. But guess what, did he stop the fight? No, he kept pushing on even if it meant possible death. I'm not saying I recommend that but not all fighters are going to have that mental fortitude. Imagine Broner or Anthony Joshua performing well under pressure in a tough fight for 15 rounds. Or even Canelo who's mentally strong but does not have as much stamina. He's going to start making mistakes in the later rounds which we've already saw with 12. At the world stage there's a huge difference between 12 vs 15 round fights that I believe would weed out a lot of today's fighters.

And records in certain sports mean nothing since they're always relative to the competition and ref culture in terms of what refs let you get away with. I mean look at the amount ko's Wilder and GGG have. They were probably on the verge of breaking records. But the second they stepped up in competition, the ko's stopped. As long as a fighter avoids stepping up, they can probably break any record they want. And fighting their little one or two fights a year against fighters of their choice is completely different from fighting more often against opponents you have less control over picking.

If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds.

You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all.

[Ascended]

People like to romanticize the past and it's no different when it comes to fighters. To me, fighters in the 80s were the best in terms of honed skills and technique.

It makes me chuckle when somebody says that Jack Johnson would beat the brakes off of today's HWs. He certainly wouldnt do that with his primitive ass, caveman approach. Wilder would destroy him early.

Wlad vs Marciano is not even a fair fight. Marciano would get a worse beating than Chris Byrd and it would get ugly quick.

Johnson latmotta louis all these guys would be destroyed by mutiple no names and mid carders from 70s-now thats how much more advanced these era's are and its very easy to see this but crazy idiots seem to not be able to see advances very odd

[Ascended]

100% old timers are severaly overrated. Most would be club fighters In the modern era.

Another person who can see good and isn't insane yet im so called a liar for saying this truth to these crazy idiots for every site that every existed im wrong yet no video has even been presented showing these 30s-40s fighters having the same advances in movement as 70s-90s fighters

[MONGOOSE66]

That's BS, 12 or 15 rounds make little difference to championship-level fighters, they are in shape and pace themselves to go the distance whatever that distance is, its all relative to output, are you saying the guys that did 40 rounds were superhuman lol, they were slugs throwing a few punches per round lumbering around for 20 rounds, the fighters today are in better shape and more explosive than pre-70s fighters, it's all to do with conditioning the human boy scientifically, that's the reason all records keep getting broken by modern athletes.

Amazes me how so many people blame others for their LOW IQ.
Reread what I what I wrote. I’m not reading it back to you. If your reading comprehension is for sheeit. Go back to school.

[Gate keeper]

If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds.

You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all.

If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds.

You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all.

I agree as far as pure conditioning goes. But I'm referring to the nuances that arise when you actually do it. For example, yes 12 rounds requires you to pace yourself. But there are times in the fight where you either overpace yourself by saving energy or underpace yourself by exerting too much. You won't always be able to perfectly pace yourself without cost. Sometimes that means you losing rounds from low activity or getting clipped or ko'ed. And sometimes it can mean you not getting the opponent out of there when you had the chance. Pacing will always be a matter of strategy and it's not generally a good idea to try to keep it fixed every round.

Look at Klitschko vs Joshua. Klitschko could have won had he just expended more energy rather than trying to be smart and conserve it for later. AJ won because he did not and went for broke both early on and late in the fight when the time seemed right. He wasn't caught up trying to perfectly plan every phase of the fight. And when he when he was all gassed out, he had to rely purely on mental grit and determination to stay afloat - a quality he's since lost by becoming too focused on planning things out. Wilder went through a similar thing with Fury in the 3rd fight. He probably had no chance of winning on points. He invested in a ko and underpaced himself by going for broke. It didn't pay off but it was his best shot and he came close. On another day or with another opponent, it might have worked. And when he was all gassed out, he had to fight on pure mental determination. We've already seen other fighters quit on the stool or fight with no heart like AJ vs Usyk in that circumstance in 12 round fights. Imagine fighters having to fight on mental determination for 15 round fights. Not everyone who fights 12 rounds now will be able handle fighting like that for 15, they will mentally break.

Furthermore, some fighters just lack the stamina to perform well for 15 rounds. Most world class fighters today are already at peak conditioning, they can't train more to increase their stamina. We all have limits. Broner for example can barely go 12 rounds in a fight, imagine 15. His work rate would be even lower, perhaps too low to have ever been a world champion. Same goes for Canelo. He always makes mistakes in the middle to late rounds against elite opponents because of fatigue. It would be even worse in a 15 round fight, especially if the other opponent just has more stamina.

And as far as 20 or 40 round fights go, it ultimately makes no difference. Two fighters could be in a 1000 round fight and all that would mean is that they fight till ko or someone quits. Either way, pacing will still be a part of strategy. Over exerting yourself may prove to be more costly in a 40 round fight over a 20 round one. Just as overexterting yourself in a 15 round fight may be more costly than in a 12 rounder. But either way, it always come down to strategy. Just my opinion on it.

[Ascended]

Amazes me how so many people blame others for their LOW IQ.
Reread what I what I wrote. I’m not reading it back to you. If your reading comprehension is for sheeit. Go back to school.

A dr is better suited for these crazy people