Should fighters fight each other 5-10+ times

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • -Kev-
    this is boxing
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Dec 2006
    • 39960
    • 5,045
    • 1,449
    • 234,543

    #1

    Should fighters fight each other 5-10+ times

    From John Scully's thread, I decided to Boxrec Holman Williams to see if aI recognize any names on his resume. And I see he fought Cocoa Kid, like more than 10 times[I didn't really count], and he fought Charley Burley a pack of times too. Than you have Robinson vs Lamotta fighting 5 times I think it was..and the list goes on. This was a very regular thing I see, like rematches are today, 5 fights were normal back then. It's like when a fighter lost back then, he genuinely wanted to get his revenge right away, and they would want to get revenge on eachother with neither of them backing out of the next fight, like they do now. For example Miguel Cotto wanted nothing to do with Margarito, until Margarito had been brutally stopped by Mosley, beaten to a pulp by Pacquiao, and had an unhealthy eye. Margarito himself wanted nothing to do with Williams, and instead picked the seemingly easier and older Shane Mosley.

    Now, people get tired of the same match up after 3 fights. It ends there, a "trilogy".


    Why don't fighters do this now? Are fights nowadays won so decisively that there is no need for 4-5 fights? Or were old school fighters just too brave to just take a loss, and that's what new school fighters are missing?
  • bojangles1987
    bo jungle
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Jul 2009
    • 41118
    • 1,326
    • 357
    • 63,028

    #2
    They were fighting so often back then, that eventually you just end up fighting the same guys. Especially with HOFers and ATGs, who were the best fighters in their divisions and constantly ranked together.

    If fighters today fought as much as fighters then had to to make money, they'd be fighting each other that many times too.

    Comment

    • warp1432
      the mailman
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Jul 2007
      • 14406
      • 478
      • 347
      • 24,060

      #3
      **** Kev, I'd take fighters fighting four times a year, let alone ten.

      Comment

      • -Kev-
        this is boxing
        Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
        • Dec 2006
        • 39960
        • 5,045
        • 1,449
        • 234,543

        #4
        Originally posted by warp1432
        **** Kev, I'd take fighters fighting four times a year, let alone ten.
        I mean eachother.

        Imagine if Floyd fought Castillo 5 times. Or Pacquiao fights Marquez 10 times.

        People like to claim, this fighter and that fighter can fight 10 times and it will always be a war, or it will always be a close fight. But it's crazy how back then, this was not just a saying, it was actually reality.

        I would like to see this in my time, two top fighters, going at it at least 5 times, in their prime or close to their prime.

        It is sad to see top fighters back then fighting eachother 10 times, but we can't even see our two top fighters fight not even once.

        Comment

        • warp1432
          the mailman
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Jul 2007
          • 14406
          • 478
          • 347
          • 24,060

          #5
          Originally posted by -Kev-
          I mean eachother.

          Imagine if Floyd fought Castillo 5 times. Or Pacquiao fights Marquez 10 times.

          People like to claim, this fighter and that fighter can fight 10 times and it will always be a war, or it will always be a close fight. But it's crazy how back then, this was not just a saying, it was actually reality.

          I would like to see this in my time, two top fighters, going at it at least 5 times, in their prime or close to their prime.

          It is sad to see top fighters back then fighting eachother 10 times, but we can't even see our two top fighters fight not even once.
          Fighters are paid too much nowadays to make this affordable, that's part of it. The other part of it is the public demand goes way down when the fighters fight less.

          Why would I want to see Mayweather fight Castillo from 2002 to 2004? The reason why they don't is because fighters don't fight 20 times in a year anymore.

          The less the fighters fight, the public wants to see them in different match ups.

          Comment

          • SCtrojansbaby
            Undisputed Champion
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Sep 2009
            • 5973
            • 137
            • 72
            • 12,653

            #6
            They had to fight that much just to make a living

            Comment

            • Hi-Dro
              Banned
              Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
              • Feb 2010
              • 10362
              • 670
              • 640
              • 14,224

              #7
              People are already sick of Pac-Marquez....
              I don't think people would appreciate seeing fighters fight that many times, as there are many other fighters people want to see fight each other.


              and Cotto ducked Margarito? da ****k kind of bull**** is that? Cotto was set to rematch Margarito in the summer of 09...it was already agreed on. da ****? The rematch didn't happen because Margarito got caught attempting to cheat against Mosley, and got suspended for a year. Cotto subsequently said he would never let Margarito make a penny of him, as he believed Marg could have used plaster in there 08 fight. And Margarito was already set to face Pacquiao in his return...it had nothing to do with Cotto. Your bias towards Cotto is overwhelmingly visible, however Cotto did do a 360 spin in the end, but I am sure that money talks rather than your theories on Cotto

              U have a lot of hate for Cotto. Cotto is a G...

              Comment

              • -Kev-
                this is boxing
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Dec 2006
                • 39960
                • 5,045
                • 1,449
                • 234,543

                #8
                Originally posted by Hi-Dro
                People are already sick of Pac-Marquez....
                I don't think people would appreciate seeing fighters fight that many times, as there are many other fighters people want to see fight each other.


                and Cotto ducked Margarito? da ****k kind of bull**** is that? Cotto was set to rematch Margarito in the summer of 09...it was already agreed on. da ****? The rematch didn't happen because Margarito got caught attempting to cheat against Mosley, and got suspended for a year. Cotto subsequently said he would never let Margarito make a penny of him, as he believed Marg could have used plaster in there 08 fight. And Margarito was already set to face Pacquiao in his return...it had nothing to do with Cotto. Your bias towards Cotto is overwhelmingly visible, however Cotto did do a 360 spin in the end, but I am sure that money talks rather than your theories on Cotto

                U have a lot of hate for Cotto. Cotto is a G...
                People are tired of Marquez-Pac because of the bad decisions.

                Cotto wanted nothing to do with Margarito until Margarito was made to look like shit against Mosley and Pacquiao.

                Cotto was very reluctant to fight Margarito in an immediate rematch.

                Comment

                • TheGreatA
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 14143
                  • 633
                  • 271
                  • 21,863

                  #9
                  If it meant the likes of Pacquiao and Marquez only fighting each other 2-3 times a year for a 4 year span, then no. If it meant them fighting each other 5-10 times while facing other opponents regularly, then yes. Based purely on the fan's perspective, it would be great to see boxers compete more regularly.

                  For a start I'd like to see boxers fight 3-4 times a year at minimum. This one fight (sometimes no fights) a year pace gets frustrating.

                  Comment

                  • Rockin'
                    Banned
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 23907
                    • 4,461
                    • 12,395
                    • 1,239,562

                    #10
                    these guys were straight fighters. If you call with an oppertunity and a reasonable purse offer these guys would fight you no matter who you were or how many times he may have fought the guy before. Old School.

                    ........Rockin'
                    Last edited by Rockin'; 12-30-2011, 03:26 PM.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP