Originally posted by New England
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Originally posted by New England
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So where does this argument that all the best American heavyweights are now in the NBA come from? It's all well and good to speculate on what ifs, but so far as I understand the general argument it's that back in the day, from the seventies back, most big athletic American men went into boxing and not basketball or football. Right? Well if that's the case then why did we never see the type of athlete who's now competing in these leagues back then, especially in the NBA? And what basis is there for believing that these guys would have been any good in boxing at all?
It just seems to me that many people here are trying to have their cake and eat it at the same time. Either heavyweight American boxing has become weaker now prior to the seventies as a result of the NBA and NFL, or these leagues are now starting to produce hitherto unheard of athletes who would have eclipsed Ali, Louis, Holmes et al were they competing back in the day. If it's the latter then that's an enormous speculation that really needs hard results to lend it credence.
Originally posted by New England
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Besides why this constant obsession with athleticism anyway? How many boxing greats of any time were athletic specimens? Frazier? Duran? Locche? Pep? How many times do you hear of boxers having first taken up the gloves because they were small and puny and bullied at school? The last boxing great who got by on mostly athleticism was Roy Jones, and he was a sub six footer.
No boxer in history was ever built in a lab. Their successes can all generally be attributed to hard work, determination, and acquired skills, and the whims of fate that thrust them into a sport that most sane individuals would never think twice about getting into.
Maybe that'll change in the future. But it won't change in the past.
Originally posted by New England
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Because despite their general toughness, a hit in the NFL is very different from a punch straight on the jaw; it's more like a full body slam and dependent on physical mass to withstand. And the nature of the sport requires you to excel in a few key areas, depending on your position, with endurance not really one of the most important areas. That's one thing where innate potential plays a part, because great endurance, like great speed, is something that you either have or you don't. It can be improved of course, but the type of guys capable of running ninety minutes (with short bursts of sprinting and jumping) are not likely to be drawn to the League in the first place.
And as for NBA, again there really are no examples of American guys that height doing well in the past. There are at least examples of athletes from those other two sports having decent success.
Originally posted by New England
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Originally posted by New England
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For clarification let me ask you this question: if the best athletes from the NFL and NBA had gone into boxing as youths do you think we would now be looking at by far the greatest heavyweight era in history?
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