With the plaster and 8 to 1 boxing clinic do you view cotto as a 1 loss fighter

[The Big Dunn]

With the plaster incident and the rematch being 8 rounds to 1 there is no doubt that first win was dirty. Do you guys view cotto as only having one leigt loss now which was to pacquiao. Even though I still cant put him in top ten but a win over chavez jr would make him ten in my eyes.

I believe Margarito cheated in the 1st cotto fight as well and likely did fights previous to that.

[edgarg]

Actually Margaritos lawyers at the hearing asked the commissioner if Margarito had a look of guilt ie how he reacted at the time and the commissioner said no.Margaritos one year suspension if memory serves me correctly was that a member of his team acted inappropriately (Capetillio) and since it his team Margarito was at fault

NV is wrong, and you are right. AND..the Commission report (all of which which I read including the appeal) stated that Margarito was unaware, but, "as head of the team you are responsible". They were all agreed that he was innocent, and some wanted to exonerate him completely. But because he was the head of the team, according to their Rules he had to be penalised. So they specifically stated that they gave him the lightest penalty allowed under their Rules.

NV is one of those convinced-against-overwhelming-evidence guys. He'll never see the light.

What also came out at the hearing was that the great Sherlock Richardson was actually there when the first bandage was wrapped, as were 4 Commissioners. So the story that he was late getting there, and wanted to see the wrapping done again etc.etc was another fable. During the wrapping of the second hand , Richardson (seemingly wanting to throw a spanner into the works, like he did in the Trinidad fiasco, to upset the fighter) asked that the wrappings be examined. He asked for the pad to be opened. The pad was made of NEW gauze as is laid down in the rules. In the centre they found a single strip of used gauze. The Commissioner who first handled it said that "it seemed a little stiffer in places, as if it had been in water". The lab found "traces" of "2 elements used in plaster-of-paris" but not the 3rd neccessary ingredient, and NO QUANTITY, only traces.

The lab also said that these same elements are found frequently in cosmetics. One report actually said it was a touch of hand cream. So the damned pad was actually HARMLESS, and as Arum immediately issued a suit against the Commission requiring them to show that it could be harmful in any way to human beings, their not defending this suit, was further proof that it WAS harmless. But of course, a Rule was broken and a huge public fuss erupted.

There were no "plaster wraps" no "bricks" no "concrete pads" nothing except a used strip of gauze. Only Capetillo knows the reason why. I suspect, for want of a better explanation, that he was trying some superstitious nonsense to assure a Margarito win because Margarito came into camp weighing over 190 lbs, and was in bad shape for that fight. Also that Capetillo, when it was exposed, was too embarrassed to speak out the real reason. He's not an American who glorys in "telling all"... but a Mexican with a lot of pride and personal self esteem, would rather die than expose himself as a fool..

I get fed up having to repeat all this time after time but there are so many idiots out there who can read, but see only what they want to, that it's neccessary. Why don't they look at the official legal reports as I did, and follow up each story, and discard what is not logical.

[Doc Holliday]

NV is wrong, and you are right. AND..the Commission report (all of which which I read including the appeal) stated that Margarito was unaware, but, "as head of the team you are responsible". They were all agreed that he was innocent, and some wanted to exonerate him completely. But because he was the head of the team, according to their Rules he had to be penalised. So they specifically stated that they gave him the lightest penalty allowed under their Rules.

NV is one of those convinced-against-overwhelming-evidence guys. He'll never see the light.

What also came out at the hearing was that the great Sherlock Richardson was actually there when the first bandage was wrapped, as were 4 Commissioners. So the story that he was late getting there, and wanted to see the wrapping done again etc.etc was another fable. During the wrapping of the second hand , Richardson (seemingly wanting to throw a spanner into the works, like he did in the Trinidad fiasco, to upset the fighter) asked that the wrappings be examined. He asked for the pad to be opened. The pad was made of NEW gauze as is laid down in the rules. In the centre they found a single strip of used gauze. The Commissioner who first handled it said that "it seemed a little stiffer in places, as if it had been in water". The lab found "traces" of "2 elements used in plaster-of-paris" but not the 3rd neccessary ingredient, and NO QUANTITY, only traces.

The lab also said that these same elements are found frequently in cosmetics. One report actually said it was a touch of hand cream. So the damned pad was actually HARMLESS, and as Arum immediately issued a suit against the Commission requiring them to show that it could be harmful in any way to human beings, their not defending this suit, was further proof that it WAS harmless. But of course, a Rule was broken and a huge public fuss erupted.

There were no "plaster wraps" no "bricks" no "concrete pads" nothing except a used strip of gauze. Only Capetillo knows the reason why. I suspect, for want of a better explanation, that he was trying some superstitious nonsense to assure a Margarito win because Margarito came into camp weighing over 190 lbs, and was in bad shape for that fight. Also that Capetillo, when it was exposed, was too embarrassed to speak out the real reason. He's not an American who glorys in "telling all"... but a Mexican with a lot of pride and personal self esteem, would rather die than expose himself as a fool..

I get fed up having to repeat all this time after time but there are so many idiots out there who can read, but see only what they want to, that it's neccessary. Why don't they look at the official legal reports as I did, and follow up each story, and discard what is not logical.

Can you provide links to the official reports? Or maybe some articles with some of this info?

[jazluvr]

He has 2 losses. And i have them in his record in my sig, but i put an * there, everybody here knows that it means he avenged 1 loss.

[Bow Down]

only person to beat cotto fairly was manny pacquiao

Lol @ the biased.


Mosley & Clottey beat Cotto...."faily".

[jazluvr]

Lol @ the biased.


Mosley & Clottey beat Cotto...."faily".

That's your opinion...opinions don't count. The final ruling of the ref-judges are, whether or not we individually agree or not.

[Boxing Bob]

the 2 loses are what they are, but since being caught with the tampered wraps Margarito has fought 3 world class opponents (Mosely, Pac, and Cotto). In those three fights , he hasn't been competitive, and its hard to find a single round he won clearly. Coincidence????????

[edgarg]

i agree 100000% but lab results PROVED there was plaster of paris in his wraps and the commission DIDNT buy his story and stated he was tryin to lie about not knowing or cheating hence his yr suspension. Their was enough evidence to PROVE he had loaded wraps. y are we still talkin about this? why are ppl still denying the evidence and proof? someone in this forum copied parts of the case and posted it so ppl would shut up and stop speculating when the proof is already there. As for the 2 fights...loaded wraps or not i think it coulda went either way. it woulda been close cuz the fact remains cotto was gettin hit and sittin on the ropes to often. the 2nd fight he was smarter, stayed away from the ropes and brawling. he outboxed margs.

You know, NV every single thing you said just now is exactly the opposite of the truth. The Commission found him to "be unaware" that the pads were illegal, and were inclined to exonerate him completely. But they were not able to do so because of a Rule clause. So the judgement also stated that he was being penalised "because you are the head of your team". (And they compromised by administering the lightest penalty allowed by the Rules).

Those are the exact words in the legal decision handed down by the Commission. Why don't you look it up. I read the whole thing from start to finish about 3 weeks ago, including their reasons for not allowing the appeal. I also read legal opinions on the decision. I spent hours going through everything legal that was available. Not speculative fan crap, but solid evidence. Also the lab reports are available, stating that traces of 2 (TWO) elements of plaster-of-paris were found which with a third (a complex molecule of oxygen) would make the plaster. But there was NO THIRD ELEMENT. Do you understand what I'm saying there was NO 3rd element. And there was no quantity, just TRACES. The lab report went on to say that these 2 elements are found in many manufactured items and particularly used very much in COSMETICS. (think absorbent powder.) Another lab report I read said that the 2 traces were from hand cream.

This is the second time tonight I've had to go through the same glop, I'm getting fed up with the blockheads who jump in with both eyes shut and mouth wide open.

Contrary to what many might think (as if I care) I am not a "fan" of any fighter, and couldn't care less about Margarito, either as a fighter or as a person, although he's always shown himself publicly to be a decent, respectable kind of lad. So, has Cotto. None of this matters to me when we're discussing a lynching, over and over and over again. With me it's purely a matter of fact V fiction, looney speculation V hard evidence. Everything else, opinions, jumps of "inspiration" and all that crap mean nothing to me, never have. Never will.

[elplayapimp]

That's your opinion...opinions don't count. The final ruling of the ref-judges are, whether or not we individually agree or not.

that margarito cheated is your opinion or speculation as well. No proof

[Brockton Lip]

With the plaster incident and the rematch being 8 rounds to 1 there is no doubt that first win was dirty

Why is there no doubt?
Although its very possibly Margo cheated the 1st time, we may never know for sure. Cotto still lost twice. Him rematching and winning is great for him but it doesn't necessarily just wipe away the previous defeat.