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  • arraamis
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    Khan is really not worthy

    Former IBF/WBA light welterweight champion Amir Khan has appealed his defeat at the hands of Lamont Peterson last weekend is looking to have the defeat overturned so that he can have the win. Khan lost the fight by the scores 113-112, 113-112 for Peterson, 114-111 for Khan. The two points that Khan deducted for pushing off in the 7th and 12th rounds were deciding factors in the fight, and Khan feels they were unfairly taken from him by referee Joe Cooper. Khan was also given credit for a 1st round knockdown where he didn't even land a punch. He knocked Peterson down by bumping him with his arm, and Cooper failed to see this and gave Khan the knockdown.

    Khan told the BBC Sport “We have appealed. In the next seven to ten days we should find out and it could be overturned. I was treated unfairly during the fight…The referee was from Washington so he was always going to favor the home fighter. He walks the streets of DC, so if he was fair and took points off Peterson he’d be hated in Washington. I don’t think he’ll be refereeing a big fight again. I want a rematch in a neutral venue.”

    Khan seems convinced that he's got a really strong case to get the loss changed to a victory, as he believes this to be a case of foul play. It’s going to be very difficult for the results to be overturned, however, because Khan was clearly pushing off on Peterson throughout the bout and the referee gave Khan ample warning to stop pushing on two separate occasions before he took the first point off from Khan in the 7th. Khan continued to push just as before following the point deduction, and the referee then took off another point in the 12th.

    Khan isn't going to endear himself with boxing fans by trying to get the results of the fight overturned because it really didn't involve anything controversial. Khan was clearly breaking a rule by reaching out and shoving Peterson away on the two occasions he lost points. Khan also was given plenty of warnings to stop pushing by the referee.

    Pushing off isn’t allowed in boxing and it’s the rule book stating that. Khan got away a lot of pushing in the fight. One site counted over 50 pushes by Khan. In the last round, an exhausted looking Khan seemed to increase the amount and the strength of his pushing off of Peterson, and it almost looked as if that was Khan’s main defense aside from his running. His game had completely deteriorated to pushing off, grabbing Peterson’s head to pull it forward, putting him in headlocks and running. Khan was taking punishment and not dealing with it well on the inside.
  • arraamis
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    #2
    It would seem that many boxer's are willing to win by default, rather that winning in the ring.

    B-hop is starting a BAD trend in boxing ..............

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      #3
      Originally posted by arraamis
      It would seem that many boxer's are willing to win by default, rather that winning in the ring.

      B-hop is starting a BAD trend in boxing ..............
      I rather think the officials (i.e. refs and judges) are continuing a bad trend in boxing.

      I think all post-fight decisions should be provisional like they are in Formula 1, before being handed on to a team of boxing experts for confirmation.

      If that were the case, Marquez would have his W over Pacquiao and Khan would still have his belts.

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      • -Kev-
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        #4
        Good, let's overturn every "wrong call" in that fight. Let's overturn the push/shove that was ruled a knock down, and the second point deducted[I thought the first point deduction was fair]. So who gets the win now?

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          #5
          Originally posted by The Weebler II
          I rather think the officials (i.e. refs and judges) are continuing a bad trend in boxing.

          I think all post-fight decisions should be provisional like they are in Formula 1, before being handed on to a team of boxing experts for confirmation.

          If that were the case, Marquez would have his W over Pacquiao and Khan would still have his belts.
          Biased Judges and inconsistent Referee's have been a part of boxing since the beginning -- Right or wrong, everyone has learned to live with that huge flaw.

          But, now the fighter's are exacerbating the flaws of boxing by pursuing default wins through the appeal process. And that process was never intended to accommodate egotistical complaints. It was to help address the flaws stemming from the Biased Judges and inconsistent Referee's.

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            #6
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Good, let's overturn every "wrong call" in that fight. Let's overturn the push/shove that was ruled a knock down, and the second point deducted[I thought the first point deduction was fair]. So who gets the win now?
            I felt Khan won with the deductions. I think Paulie Malignaggi said the same with his card although he did not begrudge Peterson his victory.

            The wider suggestion is worth looking at though in my opinion. Make all decisions provisional, to be ratified transparent clarity and reasoning by a team of boxing experts in the week following the fight.
            Last edited by Weebler I; 12-14-2011, 09:53 PM.

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            • baCCaT
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              #7
              lets be fair. go right ahead and review the fight. review the said "KD" as well.just saying.

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                #8
                Originally posted by The Weebler II
                The wider suggestion is worth looking at though in my opinion. Make all decisions provisional, to be ratified transparent clarity and reasoning by a team of boxing experts in the week following the fight.
                If that is the case then the boxing commission may as well introduce instant replays. Because IMO many fouls go uncalled especially if the fighter doing the excessive fouling is a headliner.

                And it goes to the question: Who are the experts???

                I thought the judges, referee's along with the local commission were the experts and are omnipresent at every fight. Surely, if there was a blatant robbery decision, they would have spoken up immediately, because if they let a foul decision slip through, it would ultimately invalidate their authority.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by arraamis
                  Biased Judges and inconsistent Referee's have been a part of boxing since the beginning -- Right or wrong, everyone has learned to live with that huge flaw.
                  It's clearly wrong, and I don't think people have learned to live with it. We're seeing greater and greater levels of outcry after every bout of unfair scoring.

                  It's negatively affecting how the sport is perceived and enjoyed at a time when it needs spectators the most.

                  While other sports move on boxing is stuck in the stone age adhering to the financially motivated unscrupulous designs of those who would profit from unjust decisions i.e. the Arums, the Sauerlands etc. while the paying public and the fighters who put their health on the line suffer.

                  But, now the fighter's are exacerbating the flaws of boxing by pursuing default wins through the appeal process. And that process was never intended to accommodate egotistical complaints. It was to help address the flaws stemming from the Biased Judges and inconsistent Referee's.
                  Exacerbating or highlighting? something needs to change, otherwise support for boxing is going to fall away even further.

                  I don't like the idea of Khan appealing, but he wouldn't if he didn't feel he was treated unfairly, that is the entire premise of an appeal.


                  Originally posted by arraamis
                  If that is the case then the boxing commission may as well introduce instant replays. Because IMO many fouls go uncalled especially if the fighter doing the excessive fouling is a headliner.

                  And it goes to the question: Who are the experts???

                  I thought the judges, referee's along with the local commission were the experts and are omnipresent at every fight. Surely, if there was a blatant robbery decision, they would have spoken up immediately, because if they let a foul decision slip through, it would ultimately invalidate their authority.
                  I'm not in favour of overruling referees but I do think judge's decisions should be assessed. Certainly by a team which numbers more than just 3 who have the benefit of in depth television coverage.
                  Last edited by Weebler I; 12-14-2011, 10:08 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by -Kev-
                    Good, let's overturn every "wrong call" in that fight. Let's overturn the push/shove that was ruled a knock down, and the second point deducted[I thought the first point deduction was fair]. So who gets the win now?
                    Khan and if you gave Peterson 7 rounds then obviously you have an agenda

                    and more importantly it would have been a UD for Khan

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