Comments Thread For: Kizer: No Evidence Margarito Used Tainted Wraps on Cotto

[Strike Back]

I thought the NSAC provided all the wrapping materials and you were not allowed to provide any of your own materials/equipment for that.

And I heard someone say recently that CSAC doesn't provide anything, you use your own.

Hmmm...

[edgarg]

Expect that the pad taken from Margaritos wrap before the Mosley fight had a red ink stain from the glove in the same exact spot that Margarito had on his wraps after his fight with Cotto.

According to the pictures prominently displayed on Boxingscene, as well as elsewhere, the red stain was NOT on the pad, but on the Bandages, which were cut off as is always done. So you are making up stories or have an over-feverered mind. And Cotto is on record as stating that he accepts that the red stain was glove dye. I'm sure he's seen the same thing dozens of times before.

You guys are all nuts.

[edgarg]

perhaps the plaster hasn't hardened when the inspector felt it and had hardened during the course of the fight?

perhaps the wraps obtained from the mosley fight were used before as they had the same markings from that of the cotto fight?

Kizer is the same person who claims there's nothing wrong with boxing officiating and judging. In Kizerland, everything is happy and merry and nothing is ever wrong.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. If the world was built on "perhapses" where would be all be??

Perhaps you are talking nonsense.....perhaps.

[edgarg]

I think the moderators should not allow such low level posts to be published. They should think of the mental aggravation suffered by the compos mentis part of the readers.

[krimzon]

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. If the world was built on "perhapses" where would be all be??

Perhaps you are talking nonsense.....perhaps.

of course some ounce of logic would be necessary to comprehend how Margarito likely loaded his gloves for the first fight. I expected to much of your reasoning ability.

Perhaps I should've expected typical of boxingscene posts where blanket statements substitute for actual rebuttals

[edgarg]

thats because nobody checked them. after the interview in the ring. cheato gave the casted wraps to his trainer in the locker room to use for his next fight but was caught by nazeem. i bet had they cut the hand wraps right off in the ring after the fight,they would they wouldve caught his ass red handed.

It's about time that you pulled up and READ, and maybe understand the official legal account and decisions made by the Commssion, and published on the internet. It clearly means that there were NO "plaster" wraps, or pads, but a strip of used gauze in the centre of a standard knuckle pad, which was made of NEW gauze, of a specific length.

The used gauze strip weighing almost nothing recordable, and containing elements of 2 "elements" of plaster-of-paris (as well as thousands of other common manufactured products including specifically, cosmetics and hand cream-but lacking the minimum 3rd component) and required sophisticated lab equipment, was described by the Commissioner who first handled it as "a little stiffer in spots, as if it had been in water". SOoooooo as it was an illegal component, the whole pad was illegal.

4 Commissioners AND Nazeem "Sherlock" Richardson, were present, the first hand was wrapped with no complaints, and when the second hand was being wrapped Richardson asked to see the kuckle pad, and demanded that it be opened. Then etc.etc

There has never been any rational explanation as to what earthly use this slightly stiffened single strip of gauze was supposed to do. Top Rank, after the lab report came out, issued a suit against the Commission asking them to show that the tainted pads could effect any damage or harm on any human being. The suit wasn't contested.

Margarito himself was found not to be guilty of knowing that the pad was illegal, and, although several Commissioners were against any penalty, an obscure sub clause was used to find him liable for penalty "as you are the head of the team"...... But they compromised on giving him the lightest penalty that the regulations allowed.

I've read a dozen or more factual reports of the investigation, the lab reports, the conviction and the denial of the appeal, including the official Commission documents.

It's fairly straightforward, and interesting, not warranting all the truckloads of crap that have been written about it on these and other pages by all the crazies.

[LoadedWraps]

Of course there is no evidence. It never happened.

[Carlos Alberto]

if the California commission missed it and had to have it pointed out by Naseem. what makes anyone think any of those commissions couldn't have missed it either? I respect Keizer's opinion, he is a stand up guy but I respectfully disagree with him on this one.

This is an excellent point. I completely failed to think about that. What I want to know is if the NSAC took Margarito's wraps after the Cotto fight (and if not, why not? This seems like something that should be standard procedure). Especially after the Luis Resto incident in '83!!!

[taansend]

Does the author seriously believe that the Mosley fight was the first time Margarito tried using illegal hand wraps?

I've met Tony, nice bloke, but nothing will change my view that he was using long before that fight. Anyone with a loss to him should have it rescinded in my opinion. You shouldn't mess with peoples lives like that.

Saying that, I still make tonights bout a close one as I think the first bout ruined Cotto. He's not been the same since.

[Wheres The Crak]

According to the pictures prominently displayed on Boxingscene, as well as elsewhere, the red stain was NOT on the pad, but on the Bandages, which were cut off as is always done. So you are making up stories or have an over-feverered mind. And Cotto is on record as stating that he accepts that the red stain was glove dye. I'm sure he's seen the same thing dozens of times before.

You guys are all nuts.

I've got pics that show, quite clearly, that its not a crack, but string.