Official Miquel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito & undercards RbR and discussion thread...

[sapaw]

After seeing the weigh-in, I can see how Margacheato very confident... I think it will be a repeat of the first one. And I see that this weight class is an advantage for Margacheato against Cotto.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

I was talking to my father earlier today as he was watching the face-off (Kellerman), and he said, "Look at that! That freaking thing is broken!"

and I was like, "Dad...so you're convinced...100%...that Margarito cheated?"

and he was like, "I'm POSITIVE!"

I asked him, "But what if that's just a thread? I mean, look at it for a sec...it DOES look like a thread, doesn't it?"

and he was like, "Naaaah, gimme the remote! I don't need to see that ****! He CHEATED and that's final!"

I just shook my head and said, "Okay, dad...whatever you say."

Your pops is old school there is no way you can change his mind he is set in his ways...
our days are coming soon to prepare for it

You're right, I don't think good objective Cotto fans believe this crap...it doesn't prove anything about the 1st fight. This is all about the 2nd fight...the past is the past. I'll admit i went headhunting at first, then realized I'm bashing boxers...not good.

Unless the evidence is very clear, i leave it alone now. I know i didn't like it when people shat On Cotto, but i don't care what people say, i just dismiss it. So i don't bash Tony anymore. Just joke with some Marge fans that i get along with.
But now i really try not to bash boxers. I wish Tony no permanent damage to his eye, should Cotto get at it, but i do hope he punishes him equally if not more so.

I just want to see a war and may the best man (Cotto...lol) win! ...kind of...


Any last minute betters pm me. 250m min.

I am just saying and thank you for standing up, between you and Tinta I think you both have been very balanced in this, sure we all talk **** but thats what boxing is about, but if your going to accuse someone bring facts

I really wished that Tony had a criminal case, in a court of Law because I do believe had he had a criminal court case it would have been thrown out and his name would have been cleared he would have cross examination expert witnesses testimony from all involved parties and well Today nobody could label him as a cheater...

He didnt get that and I really think if he did people would be quite embarrassed at what they have been saying

[Dat]

Whatever happened in their first fight must now be left behind, as it is all water under the bridge. It is time to settle this once and for all, fair and square. I believe that Miguel's boxing skills will prevail, and he will emerge triumphant at the end of the night.

Man I love boxing.

[jbp23]

Angry At Cotto

I am a huge fan of Miguel Cotto, but the last minute replacement of Manny Stewart with Diaz is just infuriating.

Manny Stewart a legendary trainer, current trainer of the heavyweight champ, knows how to make a game plan and get his fighter to stick with it, was replaced by Diaz. Now I have nothing against Diaz, but he is an amateur trainer with no real pro experience. He may have been a trainer in the best amateur boxing country in the world, Cuba, but amateur and pro boxing are completely different. The strategy is different, the training is different, the whole concept is different. And for Cotto to hire a trainer who might one day be a great trainer, but now has 0 experience in big time pro boxing it is just another misstep by Cotto. Diaz's 1st real pro training job/fight will be a mega fight with a top fighter.

I just can't see what Diaz will bring to the table. Seeing 24/7 the techniques Diaz uses is basically the amateur techniques used to train Cuban amateur fighters. Another point is just look at the difference when a Cuban amateur fighter turns pro and comes to the U.S. He usually does not fair well in the pro game because he languished too long in the amateurs and the Cuban amateur's did not prepare them for professional fighting.

Is Diaz capable of making a game plan and having Cotto stay to this game plan throughout the fight? Will he be able to handle the pressure or will he result to giving the kind of advice that Paul Williams trainer or Kelly Pavlik's trainer give because they were not ready for the big time. I just have heard nothing from him during 24/7 that says he is specifically training Cotto for the type of fighter Margarito is and the specific way that Margarito can be beaten.

Now Emmanuel Stewart in his 2 fights with Cotto seemed to be preparing him for the exact purpose of fighting Margarito. Getting Cotto to use his jab, over 30/rd., getting Cotto to throw more combinations and get back to body punching, getting Cotto to stay off the ropes and fight in the center of the ring, getting Cotto to control the fight with his jab and his feet.

When I read about the rematch being signed and knowing Stewart was in Cotto's corner I was certain this was the key to Cotto winning the fight and I was 100% confident Cotto would win the rematch. Then he fired Manny, hired an amateur and quite possibly this trainer is scrapping everything Cotto learned from Manny and prescribing amateur boxing methods and tactics.
I am just so upset with Cotto for making such a dumb decision and I am not quite as confident that he will win this fight with a question mark like Diaz in his corner.

Side note: Where is Larry Merchant? It seems that the blowhard Max Kellerman is again going to be given the commentary slot for this fight.

[Casual_Fan]

Not me.

Cotto needed scientific training. IMHO, Landman needs to go also, as Cotto gasses early and Landman hasn't been able to correct that. Pedro at least brings scientific knowledge that let's Miguel track Progress.


Steward is a Hall of Fame trainer. However, his best "pupils" have been tall fighters, Hearns and Wlad are prime examples. Sure, he has trained many fighters and knows the game as well as anyone. And it was an upgrade from Joe Santiago and Cotto's uncle/dad. But IMHO it isn't a "match made in heaven".

Also, if my memory serves me right, Steward did train Cintrón for his Margo rematch and failed. And Cintrón (a nutcase, I know) is the kind of fighter that Steward really polishes: Tall fighter with good power.


My 2 cents.

[LeG00N]

I'm not going to read all of that.


summarize it

[Check_hooks]

I'm not going to read all of that.


summarize it

not going to or can't?

[bigsmoothh]

doesnt matter the out will be the same..........

[jbp23]

I'm not going to read all of that.


summarize it

Its only 6 paragraphs???

Also, I think Manny has had success with fighters other than tall ones. I don't concede the fact that because some fighters who trained with Manny did not stay with him for a long time were not successful with him. When he trained De La Hoya, De La Hoya looked great, Chavez, in his rematch with Randall, he was moving, boxing, slipping punches, he looked pretty good, and Cotto looked fantastic in his last two outings. I think these fighters left him because he is an expensive trainer. 2nd, as for Cotto and Chavez they feel more comfortable with latin trainers.

As for Cotto needing more science, he may need it regarding his stamina, but thats his conditioning coaches job, not Diaz.

Yes, Manny has a lot of success with tall fighters, not because he only knows how to work with tall fighters, but he knows how to work with the individual physical gifts each fighter has and use them to their advantage. Lewis, Klitschko, Manny used what gifts they had. Oscar, Chavez he used what gifts they had. To single out Cintron as an example of Manny not being successful with anyone other than tall fighters is not fair. After all Cintron is 5'11", not exactly short for a welterweight and we all know Cintron's problems were mental, he just does not have a fighters make-up.

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Although i am not sold on this Diaz character, Steward is a highly overrated. I think it was a minor error but not a big one.

Because of Cotto's body type, Cotto should be training with a guy like Rudy Perez who trained legendary Marco Antonio Barrera. He'd at the very least increase Cotto's stamina.