Can we put Cotto-Margarito II on perspective and be objective?

[Weebler I]

I believe many people are underestimating the weight. Margarito had a huge size advantage in the first fight, and now he will have an even bigger advantage, which is why Cotto requested a catchweight. He has always struggled to make weight, and now he will not have to. Bottom line is that although Cotto may be fresher, he has no business at 154

Perhaps Cotto will gain some power with the extra weight?

[gauze]

Cotto has suffered some beatings. But, from what I see in Cotto last couple of fights. Especially the Mayorga fight...Really, he didn't impress at all against a shot to pieces Mayorga. Made me believe if and only IF, a big If, Margarito has something left, anything left. Even a drop left. That he will give Cotto hell and more than likely beat him. But, if Margarito is done and shot to pieces which seems to be the case then Cotto got this.

i wouldnt put too much weight on the mayorga fight. outside of de la hoya and trinidad nobody really looks that great against the guy. he's just so awkward and unorthodox. mosley was struggling with him up until the knockout and we all saw what he did to margarito in his next fight.

and to the TS, not only did margarito take vicious beatings against mosley and pac, but in the first cotto fight as well. i think a lot of people overlook the damage margarito took in that fight because of how busted up cotto was and all of the aftermath with the wraps

i think it will be a good fight and another war but i favor cotto by mid-late stoppage. margarito isnt exactly a defensive whiz and that eye is just really fuucked up looking. im really curious to see what happens when cotto lands on the right side of margarito's face

[Dunkeroo23]

Perhaps Cotto will gain some power with the extra weight?

doubt it. Cotto was a huge puncher at 140. at 154 he's simply average

Heres why Margarito will win imo. Listen, no one is arguing that Margarito will outbox Cotto or something. Cotto will certainly outbox him and win a decision, but the question is can Cotto make it to the final bell.

The fact is there is nothing Cotto can do to stop Margarito from coming foward. Pacquiao and Mosley were some of the worse beatings ever and even that couldn't stop Margarito. Margarito has the advantage in weight. He has a much better chin. He has much better stamina. He has more heart. All of these play right into Cotto's weaknesses. Cotto has major stamina problems. He gased out in first fight and in the Pac fight. Even the Clottey fight he struggled to make it to the finish.

So on paper Cotto wins this fight, but this fight moreso than any fight is all about the intangibles, which Margarito wins.

[Exciterx30]

Margarito was known for having an outstanding chin, but we don't know how much of that is left. Mosley stopped him convincingly and Pacquiao staggered him on several occasions and could have stopped him with a little more effort at the end. There is a possibility that Margarito's chin is nowhere near what it used to be. There are many questions about Antonio and we can only speculate while trying to find the answers. December 3rd will put an end to the speculation.

[Exciterx30]

I've been thinking about this as well. The odds are incredibly stacked against Marg but there are so many Marg nuthuggers claiming some pretty bold predictions for their fighter.

This is exactly what befuddles me. I guess blind fans will be blind fans.

[Exciterx30]

i wouldnt put too much weight on the mayorga fight. outside of de la hoya and trinidad nobody really looks that great against the guy. he's just so awkward and unorthodox. mosley was struggling with him up until the knockout and we all saw what he did to margarito in his next fight.

and to the TS, not only did margarito take vicious beatings against mosley and pac, but in the first cotto fight as well. i think a lot of people overlook the damage margarito took in that fight because of how busted up cotto was and all of the aftermath with the wraps

i think it will be a good fight and another war but i favor cotto by mid-late stoppage. margarito isnt exactly a defensive whiz and that eye is just really fuucked up looking. im really curious to see what happens when cotto lands on the right side of margarito's face

Yeah, the first Cotto fight also meant punishment to Margarito. I just focused on the worse losses but the 2008 fight also contributed.

[Da Boxer]

Its going to be an up hill battle for the two of them. At the end Cotto should come on top with a late KO/TKO or UD.

Cotto seems renewed and alive. I think that he catched a new win with this new trainer, may be is the change he was looking for.

[TintaBoricua]

This is exactly what befuddles me. I guess blind fans will be blind fans.

Objectivity is something that's seriously lacking on this site.

You've got PR's blindly saying "Margarito cheated!"

and you've got Mexicans blindly saying "Margarito didn't cheat!"

There are solid posters around, but they're few and far in between. I love discussing boxing with everyone on this site (even HTown who sometimes gets on my nerves but it's all good). And then you have idiotic posters (who I won't mention) who are just extremely biased and truly post dumb things.

People should look at things calmly and rationally. I'm sure we all go on "nuthug" mode during the fight, but afterwards it's important to look at things from an objective standpoint. Unfortunately, the sport is not very graceful or elegant to begin with. It's primitive and savage for the most part, and fans of it (especially those who have never boxed, or worse, don't actually do well in school) adhere more to the irrational than the dynamics of boxing itself.

I agree with your initial post in this thread, I just hope we get a good fight regardless what happens or who wins (and that nobody comes out of it damaged for life).

[-Huey-]

Cotto didnt impress me at all against Mayorga.

[FJRod]

I will try to be as unbiased as possible. I am a true fan of Cotto, nothing has hurt me in boxing as much as his lost to Marg. To be honest to me it felt worst than Tito lossing to B-hop. With that said I am giving a slight edge to Cotto. He surrounded himself around the right people this time around. He is very focused, the fight will be in N.Y. I was told by my brother that he even got this MMA guy who is a pressure fighter to help as a sparring partner which is good. I think for the first time Cotto is carrying the hearts and minds of the Puertorican community on his shoulders just like Tito did. He does not want to disappoint and prove he was cheated and robbed of having one of the best boxing careers in the last 20 years. Many have said that he is all about money, I happen to believe this fight means much more than money to him. We all know he fought a beautiful fight that night and came short, he will make the neccesary changes based on a loss. People underestimate the power of lossing. Can Margo be any better than he was that night? Probably not, he is and always will be a pressure fighter how ever with the punishment he has taken I highly doubt that he will be able to sustain clean effective punching from Cotto for lets say the first 5 rounds. I know Marg will come to win and prove a point also. The Marg that showed up to fight Pac agree with me or not would have dominated the current crop of fighters at 154 including Cotto. I just don't think he will be able to hold so much punishment much longer if he swells up early count on a TKO victory for Cotto by Ref. stoppage. The fight is in N.Y. Cotto will have judges and ref. on his side. Sad but true this is boxing. I just know Cotto can make changes for the rematch, what can Marg do diff? Nothing he will move forward and get tagged early in the fight. People forget he was also busted up after the Cotto fight, his face wont hold up as nicely this time around(neither Cott's) but Cotto in terms of boxing will dominate early rounds. I know there is no quit in him that's why I believe the ref. will stop this fight and give Cotto the victory.