Bob Arum told me this is business- JMM

[Phantomas]

Not true. 20 saw it for JMM, 8 had it a draw and 1 saw it for pac

Yeah sorry, got the numbers messed up... but same effect.

[chiguy91]

arum and pac are the biggest scums and jokes in boxing history. marquez should just take the morales fight for the 140 strap, have it in mexico and go out with a ****. arum won't have it in mexico, and even then he'll find a way to get the judges to have it for pac in the end again.

[Pacroid]

Most parts of the video were some sort of life reflexions, he talked about politics, etc etc.

Interesting stuff

Im planning to retire, still i haven't had time to discuss it with my family.

Is there a 4 fight against Pacquiao, No way is gonna be in Vegas. I want neutral judges, i want guys from the WBO to score the fight, and if its necessary a 4 judge.

Im not interested in fighting nobody else, but Pacquiao, and if this happens ill put the conditions, you tell me, i fight again, defeat him again, and then the judges robb me again?

I love this sport, is my life but is full of ****.

I took a pretty decent amount of money, but still i think i deserved more, considering that im the one inside the ring, fighting, exponsing my physical integrity while other leaches just suck a % of my check.. (Traducido a "hay otros que se inchan los tobillos)

When i came up to the post fight press conference Arum told me: Sorry Juan this is a buisness, I felt so angry, i wanted to slapp him on the face, but i didnt because he is an old man (laughin).

So thats pretty much it,.

[edgarg]

Truly depressing stuff from JMM. How can you not feel for the guy? Arum basically admitted to him that it was rigged, WTF else could "I'm protecting my business" possibly imply?

Bob's a luck son-of-a-***** that Marquez is a respectable, classy guy ; Anybody else may have sent his wrinkly ass to the floor with a chin check.

I know I would have wanted to, if I busted my ass for 18 years like Marquez did, only to have some greddy bastard like Arum steal it from me.

I don't read it that Arum is "admitting" anything of the sort. I see it that his saying its just business means that well hard luck, you just lost, made a great fight but the decision is the decision, and we see where we go from here...meaning that a 4th fight would be something to think about. Arum promotes literally hundreds of fights a year all over the world. Not of course personally, but Top Rank does, and he still has a strong presence there since it's his personal business. After the comments, congratulations and comiserations have died down, even one of the great ones (which this wasn't) it's still is just a fight, and he's already thinkig of the next one, like every man in the boxing business.

Don't forget, they are not mindless "fans" they are businessmen grossing hundreds of millions each year, even maybe billions. And they have hundreds of employees and families depending on it. I bet that each big promotion in Las Vegas gives employment to about 5 thousand people. in some way or another, from hotels, casinos, food outlets, souvenirs, arenas, advertising companies, radio TV and etc.etc. Not to mention the boxing community.

[swizz]

He would like to beat the **** out of Arum in the back alley in Mexico City. PPV anyone?

i will pay for that

[Jedi Vader]

Pac needs to disassociate himself with Top Rank immediately but I really believe that Arum has dirt on Pac. Hence, why he won't cut ties with the old man.

[DLT]

Bogotazo from ESB translated:


JMM: Thank you for having me. I think the first point worth noting is the great preparation we had. We had a new team, new doctors, a new physical preparation. Apart from that, in the end what everyone saw last Saturday is to be a plain robbery. I think it was very sad, a grand disillusionment, knowing that you’ve won the fight-in this case, us, the team, and me personally-knowing that we won the fight, and when they announce the decision- well, it gives you something to think about, it fills you full of rage, and you don’t even know what to do or who to revenge. I still haven’t decided; I still haven’t discussed with my family. I haven’t even had the time or the opportunity to discuss with them, but…I’ve put everything on the scale (weighed everything out). There are five fights which they have robbed me disgracefully. In this one, another time would be the fourth; and for the same thing to happen? What would happen? I think it would be the worst thing that could happen in my career, so I’d have to take a correct decision, a drastic (definite) decision, whether we keep going or whether we don’t. But I keep maintaining the position that I can retire, or I can discuss with my family or discuss with my team, and make a drastic decision on whether we continue or not.

Interview: If it’s not Manny Pacquiao, with whom does Juan Manuel Marquez return?

JMM: If it’s not with him, it’s with nobody else. I’ll retire.

One of the principal conditions is that the fight isn’t in Las Vegas again. Two, that the fight be made with neutral judges, through an organization or to choose one Mexican judge, one Filipino Judge, and a neutral judge, and if need be to get a fourth judge to be supervising; a judge who has been dedicating his whole life to this sport, so that there are no doubts; and afterwards, looking at the economic, which in this situation is important, so that it works out well for us as well. Everyone here has swollen feet in their shoes (an expression meaning they are sore or worn) from however many blows there were, but we walk away not with a horrible amount, but not exactly what one would think.

I think what we saw this past Saturday was something atrocious; something that, truly, damaged the prestige of this sport, and as I said in some interviews the morning of today, I said, the sport, boxing, doesn’t bear the blame. The blame falls on the people who make it go round. There are people behind this sport who I love very much; there are judges, there are presidents of organizations; there are many people who control the sport that ruin it.

I would also love to have, as they do in American Football, that when there is a doubtful call, they go to the replay. I think that that would be very good; a hit, a fall, a slip, or whatever. And it would be too to have a fourth judge; a fourth judge that has a monitor right by him with replays with the 3 minutes of every round, so that he can qualify every round with his score. He can have one minute of rest, and he can also be revising his score in that minute, quickly or maybe at a higher speed, and keep qualifying so you can go in real time. Have that fourth judge, and then collect and compare, and then go with the decision of the fourth judge, but with comparing and qualifying the scores of the rest of them.

The 12th of November, we worked with intelligence, we worked with speed, counter-punches, lateral steps, all of the experience I have in this sport, and it complicated it for him. It was like that the whole fight; he didn’t even know what to do. So, they had asked me, “are you going to change your strategy?”, and I’d say “no, we’re going to shape the strategy as the rounds pass; as he adjusts, I adjust”, and that’s how I always handle it; in every fight, see what the opponent is doing, and keep ad******g, keep ad******g what you have to do, what you have to not do…so with the opponent, it’s round-by-round.

Possibly, the desire to cook up the fight with Floyd Mayweather , the bets, influenced everything, everything. I think that here, even Bob Arum realized it. I went up to the press conference, and Bob Arum said to me “It’s business.” What does that make you think?” I could have given him a huge smack (studio laughs)… the truth, the truth is I’m a person who shows respect, an educated (in Spanish meaning well-mannered) person, but it gave me the nerve to want to say “Yea? It’s Business? Let’s see how well your business goes for you now.” But if you have the nerve to say “it’s business”... sure, you take care of your business, but who looks after my efforts? My 18 years of career? The hopes of beating the supposed “best pound-for-pound”? It’s because of these things that I want to say “let me retire from this sport”, which I love a lot, but this is disgusting. “Business is business, but you can go **** yourself”; that doesn’t work.

I love politics and I love being always being into something, and how they say “speaking of religion and politics is to bring up something that never ends”, but I like it. Why do I like it? Because there are times that we see people who want to help, and times we see people who want to help themselves; not help, but help themselves. And it would please me at some point if I could get into it and get involved with politics; to help and do something for the people, in the sport or just here on our planet Earth, to know that bad people exist but good people exist also.

It wouldn’t be so drastic as to say “I’m not a boxer anymore, now I’m a politician”; no no no. Here it’s a question of seeing, analyzing, putting everything on the scale, whether I continue or not; so the first decision is whether or not we continue in the sport, and from there see what we do, and in what I’m going to dedicate a future, because there’s no sport, or no career, that lasts forever, and I think I’m I my last stage and I have to see what I’m going to dedicate myself to; what I’m going to live for; so that I don’t turn into a little old man, what I’m going to dedicate myself to and be distracted by…because one way or another, everyone knows that when someone doesn’t dedicate themselves to doing anything, in their house without knowing what to do, their years pass over them like water and old age comes suddenly; and I don’t want that to happen to me. I’ll dedicate myself to something.

[-Kev-]

Depressing stuff. I wish I can translate this word by word because Marquez really poured his heart out in this video. He seemed very genuine with his thoughts here, he was getting everything off his chest.


I think he came up with a great idea about having a 4th judge, who's been dedicated to the sport for a long time. He said he wanted a 4th judge for another reason, which sounded like a good idea, but I did not quite understand what he meant. It sounded like he wants a 4th, dedicated and clean, judge, to oversee the other 3 judges. I don't know, correct me if i'm wrong. He also said, it's not boxing's fault that this is happening, boxing is not a dirty sport, that it's the people in it, presidents of organizations, judges, etc. He also said he's not sure if he's gonna continue or not but that he only wants Pacquiao and doesn't want the fight in Vegas, and wants one Mexican judge, one Fillipino judge, and one neutral judge, and a forth judge to supervise the other 3 judges[this how I understood it].


He also said that after his boxing career is over, that he would like to get in to politics to help the sport of boxing.

[-Kev-]

Bogotazo from ESB translated:


JMM: Thank you for having me. I think the first point worth noting is the great preparation we had. We had a new team, new doctors, a new physical preparation. Apart from that, in the end what everyone saw last Saturday is to be a plain robbery. I think it was very sad, a grand disillusionment, knowing that you’ve won the fight-in this case, us, the team, and me personally-knowing that we won the fight, and when they announce the decision- well, it gives you something to think about, it fills you full of rage, and you don’t even know what to do or who to revenge. I still haven’t decided; I still haven’t discussed with my family. I haven’t even had the time or the opportunity to discuss with them, but…I’ve put everything on the scale (weighed everything out). There are five fights which they have robbed me disgracefully. In this one, another time would be the fourth; and for the same thing to happen? What would happen? I think it would be the worst thing that could happen in my career, so I’d have to take a correct decision, a drastic (definite) decision, whether we keep going or whether we don’t. But I keep maintaining the position that I can retire, or I can discuss with my family or discuss with my team, and make a drastic decision on whether we continue or not.

Interview: If it’s not Manny Pacquiao, with whom does Juan Manuel Marquez return?

JMM: If it’s not with him, it’s with nobody else. I’ll retire.

One of the principal conditions is that the fight isn’t in Las Vegas again. Two, that the fight be made with neutral judges, through an organization or to choose one Mexican judge, one Filipino Judge, and a neutral judge, and if need be to get a fourth judge to be supervising; a judge who has been dedicating his whole life to this sport, so that there are no doubts; and afterwards, looking at the economic, which in this situation is important, so that it works out well for us as well. Everyone here has swollen feet in their shoes (an expression meaning they are sore or worn) from however many blows there were, but we walk away not with a horrible amount, but not exactly what one would think.

I think what we saw this past Saturday was something atrocious; something that, truly, damaged the prestige of this sport, and as I said in some interviews the morning of today, I said, the sport, boxing, doesn’t bear the blame. The blame falls on the people who make it go round. There are people behind this sport who I love very much; there are judges, there are presidents of organizations; there are many people who control the sport that ruin it.

I would also love to have, as they do in American Football, that when there is a doubtful call, they go to the replay. I think that that would be very good; a hit, a fall, a slip, or whatever. And it would be too to have a fourth judge; a fourth judge that has a monitor right by him with replays with the 3 minutes of every round, so that he can qualify every round with his score. He can have one minute of rest, and he can also be revising his score in that minute, quickly or maybe at a higher speed, and keep qualifying so you can go in real time. Have that fourth judge, and then collect and compare, and then go with the decision of the fourth judge, but with comparing and qualifying the scores of the rest of them.

The 12th of November, we worked with intelligence, we worked with speed, counter-punches, lateral steps, all of the experience I have in this sport, and it complicated it for him. It was like that the whole fight; he didn’t even know what to do. So, they had asked me, “are you going to change your strategy?”, and I’d say “no, we’re going to shape the strategy as the rounds pass; as he adjusts, I adjust”, and that’s how I always handle it; in every fight, see what the opponent is doing, and keep ad******g, keep ad******g what you have to do, what you have to not do…so with the opponent, it’s round-by-round.

Possibly, the desire to cook up the fight with Floyd Mayweather , the bets, influenced everything, everything. I think that here, even Bob Arum realized it. I went up to the press conference, and Bob Arum said to me “It’s business.” What does that make you think?” I could have given him a huge smack (studio laughs)… the truth, the truth is I’m a person who shows respect, an educated (in Spanish meaning well-mannered) person, but it gave me the nerve to want to say “Yea? It’s Business? Let’s see how well your business goes for you now.” But if you have the nerve to say “it’s business”... sure, you take care of your business, but who looks after my efforts? My 18 years of career? The hopes of beating the supposed “best pound-for-pound”? It’s because of these things that I want to say “let me retire from this sport”, which I love a lot, but this is disgusting. “Business is business, but you can go **** yourself”; that doesn’t work.

I love politics and I love being always being into something, and how they say “speaking of religion and politics is to bring up something that never ends”, but I like it. Why do I like it? Because there are times that we see people who want to help, and times we see people who want to help themselves; not help, but help themselves. And it would please me at some point if I could get into it and get involved with politics; to help and do something for the people, in the sport or just here on our planet Earth, to know that bad people exist but good people exist also.

It wouldn’t be so drastic as to say “I’m not a boxer anymore, now I’m a politician”; no no no. Here it’s a question of seeing, analyzing, putting everything on the scale, whether I continue or not; so the first decision is whether or not we continue in the sport, and from there see what we do, and in what I’m going to dedicate a future, because there’s no sport, or no career, that lasts forever, and I think I’m I my last stage and I have to see what I’m going to dedicate myself to; what I’m going to live for; so that I don’t turn into a little old man, what I’m going to dedicate myself to and be distracted by…because one way or another, everyone knows that when someone doesn’t dedicate themselves to doing anything, in their house without knowing what to do, their years pass over them like water and old age comes suddenly; and I don’t want that to happen to me. I’ll dedicate myself to something.

Okay it looks like I was off. So that's what he said. The idea is even better than I thought.

[Taaj Manzoor]

Arum used all his "business" skills on fight night to make sure his investment was protected.