So Pac still on PED's after last Saturday?

[trainhard_187]

Haters still glamoring that Pac is on PED's now.. Lets see if Pac did steam roll over Marquez excuses are out

1. Pac is on PEDs
2. Marquez was old anyways and out of his prime
3. Marquez was Floyds leftovers

Now that Pac didnt look as impressive Pac is said to be exposed.

[Wapacman]

Haters still glamoring that Pac is on PED's now.. Lets see if Pac did steam roll over Marquez excuses are out

1. Pac is on PEDs
2. Marquez was old anyways and out of his prime
3. Marquez was Floyds leftovers

Now that Pac didnt look as impressive Pac is said to be exposed.

Your a joke!

[PACnPBFsuck]

It just means JMM PEDS >>>>>>> PAC PEDS

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Haters still glamoring that Pac is on PED's now.. Lets see if Pac did steam roll over Marquez excuses are out

1. Pac is on PEDs
2. Marquez was old anyways and out of his prime
3. Marquez was Floyds leftovers

Now that Pac didnt look as impressive Pac is said to be exposed.

I dont think Manny is or was on Steroids, I believe Manny has had some good match making, But I also think its very possible Manny had a very off night.
To me it looked like Manny only came to get the knock out he had no other game plan in his mind other than to go out there and knock out Marquez.

Marquez had already been 24 rounds with Manny and knew how to evade Mannys shots and be in position to counter as soon as Manny missed he did this over and over.

This was not a close fight in my mind I can watch this 100 times and I will still end up saying Marquez won the fight. you have to consider the criteria here, key terms Clean effective punching, and who was the ring General? that was Marquez, just because your comming forward does not mean your in control of the fight especially when you come forward sloppy miss your shots and get countered with crisp solid shots in return.

Aggression only counts if your doing something with it and that wasnt happening... I think Style wise Marquez will always be a nightmare for Manny, and I aint making no excuses Manny was beat saturday every pro boxer stated he lost even his own sparring partner

[4Corners]

I dont think Manny is or was on Steroids, I believe Manny has had some good match making, But I also think its very possible Manny had a very off night.
To me it looked like Manny only came to get the knock out he had no other game plan in his mind other than to go out there and knock out Marquez.

Marquez had already been 24 rounds with Manny and knew how to evade Mannys shots and be in position to counter as soon as Manny missed he did this over and over.

This was not a close fight in my mind I can watch this 100 times and I will still end up saying Marquez won the fight. you have to consider the criteria here, key terms Clean effective punching, and who was the ring General? that was Marquez, just because your comming forward does not mean your in control of the fight especially when you come forward sloppy miss your shots and get countered with crisp solid shots in return.

Aggression only counts if your doing something with it and that wasnt happening... I think Style wise Marquez will always be a nightmare for Manny, and I aint making no excuses Manny was beat saturday every pro boxer stated he lost even his own sparring partner

I must say, I really respect what you have to say man. you know your s**t.

I scored the fight a draw, 114-114. I thought you could give Pac 4 rounds clearly and JMM 4 rounds. Rounds 1, 6, 7, and 8 were all close in my opinion. What made it a draw for me was that I had JMM winning round 1. Neither guy did much, but Marquez avoided Manny's punches well, countered a few times really well, and Pac's agression in round 1 was non effective agression. Therefore, I scored round 1 for Marquez.

Nacho did f**k up big time telling Marquez he was winning clearly after round 10. Had Marquez fought the same way he did the last two rounds as he did from rounds 5-10, I would have scored the fight for him. Still, I thought Marquez won the 11th, but Pac won the 12th. I had JMM up by a point going into the 12th, but JMM just did NOTHING in the 12th to win it. Pac was the agressor and landed a couple shots on Marquez that round and Marquez didn't do much the last round. Therefore, I scored it a draw. I scored the 1st a draw, 113-113. The 2nd for Marquez, 114-113. And the 3rd a draw, 114-114.

There were still 3-4 rounds that could have gone either way, much like the 2nd round in Mayweather-Ortiz. I gave the 1st and 4th for Mayweather by a decisive but not huge margin, the 3rd for Floyd by a lot, and the 2nd could have gone either way. Floyd out landed Ortiz in power shots that round, and dodged most of Ortiz' punches when on the ropes or they hit his shoulders, but Ortiz landed some shots that round, it was close.

I must admit that I thought Manny would KO JMM in 6 or 7, mainly because Floyd dominated JMM over 2 years ago at 144, and because Marquez isn't even as good as he was 2-3 years ago, let alone his prime. But, I was wrong. Seeing now that Marquez could fight as effective at 144, I think people should give Floyd his due for dominating a 2 years younger version of JMM at 144 as well. Just my thoughts.

[adamdoyle]

Pac could still be on them and that why there going back to the "Ariza way" read the article
Then watch the 24/7 and he was killing himself! Ariza saying they need the conditioning?
This looks like Pacquaio Overtrained cause he didnt have the extra push from PED's,highly unlikely but makes sense to me. Although Marquez had great movement Pacquiao didn't have the same bounce he usually has, and i truthfully hate Pac, i respect him for as a great fighter but this good guy routine is bull****