STYLES make fights.Why is it so hard for people here to understand this?

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A real great would adapt!

i seen *******s compare pac to ali... LOL
according to the style match up infighter beats an outfighter, Ali still manage to over come this vs joe frazier

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Why do people keep parroting this nonsense? It's not that Mayweather and Marquez fight alike, it's that Mayweather is capable of exploiting the same holes in Pacquiao's fight game that Marquez exposes. Not only is he as capable as Marquez, he's even more capable. What's so hard to understand about that?

It's not hard to understand at all...Floyd does not have the same stance as JMM, he is not a come forward natured fighter, he uses the long jab and distance more than anything else. JMM fights in closer most of the time, throws far more uppercuts, uses his jab to set up other punches immediately after the jab,not stick and move like Mayweather does, Marquez leans in, Floyd leans out, Floyd uses his upper body movements to set up counters, JMM uses shoulder feints and punches.


You see, I could go on and on pointing out how different they fight. Manny is going to have areas of exploitation, sure, I'll give you that but Pac is going to respond to Floyd differently than he would to JMM based on the feel in the ring. Floyd s going to present a different feel that only Pac will be able to recognize and understand because he will be the guy in the ring, not us out here. Just because a guy is known as a "counter puncher", that does not mean he sets up his counters the exact same way as the next "counter puncher" down the street. That is why styles make fights..a lot of people on here, not saying you, are making the connection that well if Floyd could whitewash JMM and Pac still struggled with him and conceivably lost to him, then for sure Floyd would destroy Manny.

[Shogunofharlem1]

I was talking to my grandfather about this today(Hes an old school boxing buff). He was one of the few that saw marquez winning this fight. I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he told me " What most fight fans dont realize is that theres a difference between your fighting speed and your reflex speed. People are looking at Mannys footwork and handspeed and their not paying attention to the fact that he doesnt have fast reflexes and adaptability."
Of course I asked him why he didnt bet me then and his response was "I wasnt 100 percent on that" lol.

[Carpe Diem]

I just have one question. Is Manny capable of landing more punches on Floyd than he landed on JMM? Styles do make fight, but at the same time it doesn't make that much difference if you aren't landing your punches at a high consistent level.

[thatnickuh]

Thats not too hard to understand but this is where I see it differently, even though Floyd can counter punch and has a good defense, he is still taller, which means he has to reach to find him, you dont have the same power in your shots when your reaching down and you often miss more.

Except, why would Mayweather have to reach for Pacquiao when he has the reach advantage? Pacquiao is the one who is going to have to figure out how to reach and get to Mayweather. Reach is a clear advanage for Mayweather in this fight my man, not the other way around.

Which is exactly why Manny looked so good against bigger guys, its easier to make them miss and they dont exactly see you until your comming back up with a shot.

Exactly, but I think that we both agree that Mayweather isn't easy to make miss while being extremely hard to hit. It's not just that guys like Cotto,DLH,Clottey, and ect were taller and had to reach. It's that they were slower and came straightforward with suspect defense.

Marquez is always going to give Manny a hard fight because he is nearly the same height so he can shoot his shots straight, with out having to reach down and give up height and create bigger holes.

So even though Mayweather can do the same if not more than Marquez his height will be a factor here, also Marquez was able to take some of mannys shots to get his done, whos to say Floyd can do the same?

Come on man, you're reaching with this. Marquez is 5'7, Mayweather is 5'8, and Pacquiao is 5'6 and a half. Mayweather being bigger, faster, stronger, and all around more technically sound will mean that he won't have to take the shots that Marquez took. He's never gotten hit as much as Marquez does and has always had superior defense. Don't know how anyone can question Mayweather's chin anyway. Mayweather is Marquez times whatever.

[GG Magic]

Why do people keep parroting this nonsense? It's not that Mayweather and Marquez fight alike, it's that Mayweather is capable of exploiting the same holes in Pacquiao's fight game that Marquez exposes. Not only is he as capable as Marquez, he's even more capable. What's so hard to understand about that?

Exactly. And its because of 'styles make fights' that Mayweather easily beats Pacquiao.

[MoneyMayFan]

It's not hard to understand at all...Floyd does not have the same stance as JMM, he is not a come forward natured fighter, he uses the long jab and distance more than anything else. JMM fights in closer most of the time, throws far more uppercuts, uses his jab to set up other punches immediately after the jab,not stick and move like Mayweather does, Marquez leans in, Floyd leans out, Floyd uses his upper body movements to set up counters, JMM uses shoulder feints and punches.


You see, I could go on and on pointing out how different they fight. Manny is going to have areas of exploitation, sure, I'll give you that but Pac is going to respond to Floyd differently than he would to JMM based on the feel in the ring. Floyd s going to present a different feel that only Pac will be able to recognize and understand because he will be the guy in the ring, not us out here. Just because a guy is known as a "counter puncher", that does not mean he sets up his counters the exact same way as the next "counter puncher" down the street. That is why styles make fights..a lot of people on here, not saying you, are making the connection that well if Floyd could whitewash JMM and Pac still struggled with him and conceivably lost to him, then for sure Floyd would destroy Manny.

Man u don't watch mayweather. Mayweather is a come foward fighter at this point in his career and he fights inside alot. His reach would be too much for manny. His skills too much for manny. Defense too much for manny. Skills win fights

[thatnickuh]

It's not hard to understand at all...Floyd does not have the same stance as JMM, he is not a come forward natured fighter, he uses the long jab and distance more than anything else. JMM fights in closer most of the time, throws far more uppercuts, uses his jab to set up other punches immediately after the jab,not stick and move like Mayweather does, Marquez leans in, Floyd leans out, Floyd uses his upper body movements to set up counters, JMM uses shoulder feints and punches.


You see, I could go on and on pointing out how different they fight. Manny is going to have areas of exploitation, sure, I'll give you that but Pac is going to respond to Floyd differently than he would to JMM based on the feel in the ring. Floyd s going to present a different feel that only Pac will be able to recognize and understand because he will be the guy in the ring, not us out here. Just because a guy is known as a "counter puncher", that does not mean he sets up his counters the exact same way as the next "counter puncher" down the street. That is why styles make fights..a lot of people on here, not saying you, are making the connection that well if Floyd could whitewash JMM and Pac still struggled with him and conceivably lost to him, then for sure Floyd would destroy Manny.

It's not about Mayweather and Marquez setting up their counters the exact same, the feel in the ring being exactly the same, or any of that. It's about Mayweather and Marquez both having the ability to make make Pacquiao pay for the mistakes that he makes in the ring. Marquez sets up his counter punches by waiting for Pacquiao to leave himself open as he darts in and out with his wild/unorthodox combinations. Why wouldn't any reasonable person come to the conclusion that Mayweather is capable of doing the same and more?