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In some post people have said tht the judge in pac Marquez 1 got the first round score wrong cause he gave it 10-6. I was watching the mayweather corrales fight with my mate last night n the man on hbo who does the unofficial scorecards said in the 8th round tht he only scored the 7th round 10-7 because judges wont go below 10-7 cause it's unfair to the other fighter. What is the actual law with 3 knockdowns in a round.
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AFAIK the guideline is it's a point a KD period. Potentially harsh well no imo, why should consecutive KD's count less and less each time, it's representing by how far your winning, and a KD is an achievement in boxing that needs merit/reward.
Otherwise a boxer would get a KD, think there's no point going for another or a KO because you may as-well just score KD's in other rounds. Doesn't matter when a KD's occurred, KD's a KD.
Saying that it wouldn't surprise me if a couple of org's have slightly differently guidelines, and in any case the judges have too much power to mis-score. If it's a mis score, override it. -
there isnt one but it should be judged 10-6 if you ask me. Whats fair is fair. Who are they to care or say if a guy can catchup or not. Its almost cheating to me. Pac-JMM shouldve been 10-6 in the 1st.
Not only that but you should get credit for all 3 knock downs since you arent getting credit for dominating the round if you know what I mean. I mean that in most cases, 3 knock downs would seem like a domination and in boxing, you can take away a point for a guy for dominating a round even without a knock down. If you are going to score some rounds 10-8 with no knockdowns then you better score it 10-6 if a guy gets 3. Thats my pointComment
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Is there a rule that says you have to deduct one point if there is a KD?
I watched the fight a long time ago and I remember Harold Lederman saying that.Comment
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so if i get knockedodwn twice i can take all the knee's i wantComment
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It's true some judges don't go below a 10-7 round because it makes a big disadvantage for the other fighter and it's hard for him to come back up.Comment
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Well, it can get a little murky when there are that many knockdowns in a round - and what Harold said about not wanting to score it 10-6 is simply his opinion as a judge and the rules allow him to make that call.
There isn't anything official about having to deduct a point for every single knockdown that occurs in a round, however, most of us with experience watching loads of fights know that when a fighter wins the round AND scores a knockdown it will be scored 10-8. Dominate the round and score two knockdowns and it's typically scored 10-7. Beyond this, as I understand, is up to the judge. In the 10 point must system, the loser of the round can receive between 9 and 6.
In Harold's case, I'd assume he felt that scoring it 10-6 would be "unfair" because it essentially puts the entire fight out of reach based on just one round. In that fight, he may have felt that the knockdowns in the round were of the "flash" variety and that Corrales wasn't necessarily that hurt every single time Floyd put him down.
This is where the decision making of being a judge comes in to play - it's the same logic that applies to scoring rounds 10-8 when there is NO knockdown at all - when a fighter totally dominates the round and HURTS the opponent so bad it could be scored 10-8 to some judges. Again, this is up to the individual judge and the other two may not agree on scoring it 10-8 unless there is a knockdown.
In Pacquiao-JMM 1, only one of the judges scored the first round 10-7 later stating he made a mistake. There is really no way to know if the judge made a decision on his own to score it 10-7 like Lederman did in the Floyd/Corrales fight or if he really did make a mistake. While scoring it LIVE, that judge may have felt that the first knockdown was just a "flash" and not as devastating as the two that followed, who knows. Forget what he said after the fight - he may have only admitted to the mistake afterward because he knew he was offline with the other two and it became somewhat of a controversy.
Either way, scoring it 10-7 or 10-6 was within the rules and involved the individual making a judgment call. There's nothing in rules saying you have to deduct a point for every knockdown, but most probably do and would have.Comment
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Really it's up to the judges a lot of times, there is nothing really "official" about the scoring besides the fact that the winner of the round must receive 10 points. Often judges will score a round with 1 KD a 10-9 round because the fighter of the round did enough in the round to make up the point.
This is the main reason I score the first round in Pacquiao Marquez 10-7 every time, Marquez easily won the first 90 seconds of the round and in my opinion I think he deserves the 1 extra point.
In a nut shell it's completely up to the judges, same way with scoring a round 10-8 when no KD happened. The 10 point must system is really screwy.Comment
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Thats ****** because one fighters strength is maybe him relying on knocking down the opponent and losing rounds, would they have a rule saying a boxer cant lose 3 rounds in a row...so we will score the 3rd evenly...no...
It has to be fair for every1Comment
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