Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather Driven Crazy When Pacquiao Fights

[richardt]

Mayweather has fought 3 times in 4 years since 2007. Since 2007 Pac has fought just over 2 fights a year average. I doubt Mayweather has made more than Pac per year and more than Pac has made since 2008. May be close but Pac makes more during the same time periods.

[richardt]

It's easy to say they agree with the testing when they are coming up with BS excuses elsewhere. Don't believe for a second they want this fight.

You "quoted" Arum in a list of items like everything he said was Gospel!!! But you selectively chose to ignore this????:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_yl...acquiao_091911

[LeadUppercut]

You forgot one small thing! Add up their earning for the year. 1 fight compared to 3. Pac makes more each year.

He fights twice a year, and I would guess that he still makes less than Mayweather when you take into account that he does not get paid as well as Floyd, sometimes half as much, and then he has to split with Arum/GBP.

Getting paid less, for doing twice the work, hardly sounds ideal.

Anyway who cares, we wont see any of it.

[richardt]

When Arum complained about USADA being biased, *****s cried and cried like they were butthurt. Now when Arum agrees to USADA, *****s cry and cry like they are butthurt! WHAT THE ***!!!!?????

[richardt]

I even came on here 2 months ago and said if Arum uses the biased USADA excuse, HE will be to BLAME for the fight not happening. That is no longer the case.

[tatangb45]

tatangb45, stop being a fkn idiot you silly ****.

Complete dishonesty is why I put you on ignore.

FACT: Arum and Koncz, and to a certain degree, Roach and Ariza, are Manny's official representatives.

Roach was the first one to mention the needles excuse, then came Arum, and then everyone else endorsed it..... oh, until they remembered that Pac has tattoo's

Michael Koncz used the needles excuse again within the last 3-4 months.

Stop being so dishonest you weaselly little kid, the excuses provided by Pacquiao's official spokespeople were representative of him, and a number of them were made during an official press release.

First, this village idiot puts me on ignore. Now he's back responding to my post with more lies.
Here, MORON, read this article from NY Times and hopefully, you will now put it inside your pea size brain as to who started that bs about Pac being scared of needles.

Qoute, "Pacquiao's camp said he had a problem with giving blood. Ellerbe then wondered why Pacquiao has tattoos if he has an aversion to NEEDLES. Arum said that the issue was with the blood, NOT THE NEEDLES."

Btw, this article came out on Dec. 23, 2009.


Biggest Fight in Years Turns on Question of Blood
Left, Isaac Brekken/Associated Press; Jae C. Hong/Associated Press

Floyd Mayweather Jr., left, wants the fighters to undergo Olympic-style drug testing. Manny Pacquiao has balked, threatening to derail the most anticipated bout in a long time.

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By GREG BISHOP
Published: December 23, 2009

Promoters for Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao billed their potential bout as the fight of the century and the largest payday in boxing history. They settled on the site (the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas), the billing (Mayweather’s name first), even the $10 million penalty for each pound either man is over the 147-pound limit.
Jae C. Hong/Associated Press

Manny Pacquiao celebrating after defeating Miguel Cotto last month.

But one issue threatens to derail the fight entirely: blood testing. And these negotiations are turning into a blood feud.

“This is a simple question,” said Leonard Ellerbe, chief executive of Mayweather Promotions. “If you have nothing to hide, then why not comply?”

To which Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter and chief executive of Top Rank Boxing, responded: “This is a simple issue. Floyd Mayweather does not want this fight. And this is his way out. This is a smoke screen.”

No match in recent years means as much to boxing — in terms of publicity, dollars and relevance — as Mayweather versus Pacquiao. The two fighters are generally regarded as the best in the world. Last month Pacquiao defeated Miguel Cotto, winning another title in his record seventh weight division. Mayweather holds an unblemished record.

As Richard Schaefer, another Mayweather promoter and the chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, negotiated with Top Rank, he heard about this fight everywhere he went, heard the anticipation at dry cleaners and convenience stores and gas stations.

“If it doesn’t happen, it will be a big void for boxing,” Schaefer said. “It would be a setback, for the sport and for these fighters. Sometimes in sports you have these dream matchups, and this is certainly one of them.”

This boxing back-and-forth is nothing new, of course. In Pacquiao’s negotiations with Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, both fights appeared at times unlikely, and both eventually took place, with Pacquiao winning each.

These negotiations are different because never before has a fighter demanded blood testing before a bout. Schaefer said the issue was included in the first draft of the proposal, about six weeks ago, but the divide became public Tuesday, when Mayweather’s camp issued a news release.

Mayweather wants the fighters to undergo Olympic-style drug testing as outlined by the United States Anti-Doping Agency. Currently, fighters are tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, with urine tests before and immediately after each fight. Neither Pacquiao nor Mayweather has failed a drug test.

Travis Tygart, the chief executive of Usada, said his organization has a checklist that it calls the matrix of effectiveness. It includes blood and urine testing, both in and out of competition. Blood tests, Tygart added, detect prohibited substances like human growth hormone, synthetic hemoglobin, designer EPO and blood transfusions, while urine tests do not.

Pacquiao has agreed to have his blood tested three times: in early January, when the fight was expected to be announced, 30 days before the fight and immediately after it. He also agreed to random urine testing.

But Tygart said the 30-day window would still allow an athlete plenty of time to dope with illegal substances not detectable by urine testing.

“That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

Pacquiao’s camp said he had a problem with giving blood. Ellerbe then wondered why Pacquiao had tattoos if he has an aversion to needles. Arum said the issue was with the blood, not the needles.

Back and forth it goes. Mayweather’s advisers said they believed Pacquiao had not been fully informed of the testing procedures. They pointed out, and Tygart confirmed, that the test requires less than a teaspoon of blood. They noted the athletes who have undergone this type of testing, including Kobe Bryant and Michael Phelps.

Arum countered with Top Rank’s preference: using the testing procedures of the N.F.L. or the N.B.A., organizations that he said “deal with professional athletes.” The issue is not the testing, Arum said, but who does it and when.

Lost in the bickering over blood testing is what this fight could mean to boxing — and the momentum and money the sport will lose if this issue becomes insurmountable. The bout would be expected to set records for pay-per-view buys, continuing boxing on the road to resurgence.

If both fighters agreed to the blood test, Tygart said, boxing could set itself apart from other sports by proving how seriously it takes performance-enhancing drugs.

The undercurrent running through both camps is that the fight will still be made, that a compromise will be reached. But none of the principals are willing to say that publicly. In fact, Arum said Pacquiao had already begun looking at three other fights — against Yuri Foreman, Paulie Malignaggi or a rematch against Juan Manuel Marquez.

If that happened, Ellerbe said, “it would be doing the sport an injustice.”

To which Arum responded: “This fight is not going to happen. Because Mayweather doesn’t want it to.”
More Articles in Sports » A version of this article appeared in print on December 24, 2009, on page B9 of the New York edition.

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[LeadUppercut]

Utter bull****. Golden Boy WERE taking money from Pacquiao fights due to the contract dispute, but that came solely out of Top Rank's cut, Pacquiao gave them nothing himself. That contract in question ended last year, and if you'd noticed Pacquiao hasn't been listed as a GBP fighter for a while on their site. Stop the lies.

As for the % he pays Arum, that 27% came out of Floyd's mouth and we all know to take what he says with a grain of salt. Pac probably pays the rate most pay their promoters.

Pac pays Arum 27% dude, that fact is well-documented.

You would need to link me to a reputable article to prove that GBP's % of Pacquiao came from Top Ranks cut, that doesnt sound right at all. Why would TR be penalised because Manny breached his contract and signed with two promoters?

[LeadUppercut]

It's easy to say they agree with the testing when they are coming up with BS excuses elsewhere. Don't believe for a second they want this fight.

It is plainly obvious they dont want none of Mayweather, regardless as to the size of the puddle of pac-dribble on the floor of this thread......

http://fighthype.com/pages/content11...0b8707ef6d3d34

http://fighthype.com/pages/content11...0b8707ef6d3d34

[LeadUppercut]

Mayweather has fought 3 times in 4 years since 2007. Since 2007 Pac has fought just over 2 fights a year average. I doubt Mayweather has made more than Pac per year and more than Pac has made since 2008. May be close but Pac makes more during the same time periods.

I dont know the numbers, and I dont really care, but sometime Pac makes 10mil and Mayweather makes 25mil, how good do you need to be at maths to see that once Arum/GBP take their piece, Pac gets crumbs compared to Mayweather?

[tatangb45]

I dont know the numbers, and I dont really care, but sometime Pac makes 10mil and Mayweather makes 25mil, how good do you need to be at maths to see that once Arum/GBP take their piece, Pac gets crumbs compared to Mayweather?

Hey MORON, you're still spewing lies and garbage.
It was ELLERBE who started that bs about Pac being scared of needles.