Vitali Klitszcho vs Prime Tyson?

[Dude]

Newsflash:

We're talking about him fighting a guy who's biggest career wins are over Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.

I'm the farthest thing from a Tyson fan, and I always see him on people's top ten Heavyweight lists and disagree.

But Tyson was an animal in his prime, and several people in this thread have said he'd have stood no chance against Vitali.

I think that's non sense.

Vitali certianly ranks nowhere near Mike Tyson in a historical context, so your argument about Tyson not being a top 15 fighter doesn't carry very much weight.

To me, the bottom line is that Vitali fights stiff, stands stright up, and has his hands low.

That's a huge mistake agasitn a young Tyson.

Newsflash:

We're talking about him fighting a guy who's biggest career wins are over Lt. HW Michael Spinks and an out-of-shape, very old Holmes.

Tyson and Klitschko have lost to Lewis. The difference is that people say Tyson wasn't close to his prime (though there is not much of an age difference between him and Lennox) and that Klitschko made his fight with Lennox a lot closer and had a real shot at winning it before being stopped on cuts. Maybe Lewis was training harder for the Tyson fight but I guess we agree that the Lewis who beat Klitschko would've beaten Tyson soundly as well.

Tyson in his prime was a good fighter no doubt. And though I don't rate him among the Top 25 HWs he stormed through the division. But styles make fights. And Klitschko with his height and reach and his fighting style is the complete nightmare for a fighter like Tyson.

You can't just compare the achievements of two boxers and predict the outcome of their bout basing on that. It might be a factor but if it was that important Ken Norton still would be a nobody

And by the way Klitschko is by far no Top 15 fighter but NEITHER is Tyson.

I've pointed out repeatidly the reach and height difference between the two. Klitschko can afford his stylistic and technical flaws against Tyson. His reactions are good enough to catch Tyson most of the times he tries rushing in. Tyson can't work his jab to get inside since Klitschko is too tall. Klitschko looks robotic and goofy but he is physicly gifted enough to make up for it against smaller fighters.

[Dude]

now why would u put this

every1 knos klitchko has a weak chin

and prime tyson......well we all kno about the power he had

klitchko is a gr8 and smart fighter tho dont get me wrong

We're talking about Vitali Klitschko. I guess you're reffering to Wladimir Klitschko. There've never been any doubts of Vitalis chin. In fact he was never down his whole career if I remember correct.

[druth]

Tyson would never get inside. He'd become frustrated (much like the Lewis fight) and end up getting knocked out in the 8th round.

Vitali is a good technical boxer with a huge jab. Tyson would get sick of eating the jab.

[Bozo_no no]

Newsflash:

We're talking about him fighting a guy who's biggest career wins are over Lt. HW Michael Spinks and an out-of-shape, very old Holmes.

Tyson and Klitschko have lost to Lewis. The difference is that people say Tyson wasn't close to his prime (though there is not much of an age difference between him and Lennox) and that Klitschko made his fight with Lennox a lot closer and had a real shot at winning it before being stopped on cuts. Maybe Lewis was training harder for the Tyson fight but I guess we agree that the Lewis who beat Klitschko would've beaten Tyson soundly as well.

Tyson in his prime was a good fighter no doubt. And though I don't rate him among the Top 25 HWs he stormed through the division. But styles make fights. And Klitschko with his height and reach and his fighting style is the complete nightmare for a fighter like Tyson.

You can't just compare the achievements of two boxers and predict the outcome of their bout basing on that. It might be a factor but if it was that important Ken Norton still would be a nobody

And by the way Klitschko is by far no Top 15 fighter but NEITHER is Tyson.

I've pointed out repeatidly the reach and height difference between the two. Klitschko can afford his stylistic and technical flaws against Tyson. His reactions are good enough to catch Tyson most of the times he tries rushing in. Tyson can't work his jab to get inside since Klitschko is too tall. Klitschko looks robotic and goofy but he is physicly gifted enough to make up for it against smaller fighters.

Your missing the point. It was you who was saying that Tyson is over rated.

And Vitali isn't?

He's by far the most over hyped Heavyweight today in contrast to what he's actually acheived.

You scoff at Tyson's wins over Spinks and Holmes, but those are leagues above anyone Vitali's ever beaten.

As a matter of fact, with what Vitali has actually accomplished, he's right on par with the level of competiton a prime Mike Tyson was destroying.

I was merely pointing out that Vitali is as over hyped as they come, and Tyson, regardless of your opinion that he's not a top 25 all time Heavyweight (something you're in a small minority on), he's still levels in Class above Klitschko in a historical context.

And I completely disagree with your simple notion that the fight is a write off because of Vitali's style.

Again, Vitali fights stiff, with his hands down, and stands straight up. That's disasterous in fighting a prime Mike Tyson.

This fight is in no way a walk in the park for Vitali. That's complete non sense.

[Torino]

Not many people stayed on their feet against "prime Tyson"

[BLOODSHED]

Tyson was 40 when he fought Lewis. That wasnt a prime Tyson.

Tyson always had problems with tall men and a solid jab. Look at his bout against Tony Tucker. Tucker, being 6'5, gave him problems. We all now that Tyson was no matchup for the 6'5 Lennox Lewis. Klitschko is around 6'7. Iron Mike would have lots of problems getting inside and unloading. He'd get peppered at long range for most of the night. Now Tyson showed more than once that he's not the kinda fighter who fights himself out of trouble. He always was a frontrunner. How many times did he come from behind to stop his opponent?

This is actually a pretty easy matchup. Vitali Klitschko has all the tools to frustrate and soundly beat Tyson. Even if Tyson connects clean once or twice I don't see him knocking out Klitschko. Tyson is a powerfull puncher but just not as powerfull as his hype always wanted to make you believe.

Mike Tyson can't win. He can't win on points against the by far taller man with the by far longer reach and it'd be a lil miracle if he knocked him down let alone out.

I see a TKO victory around the 10th for Klitschko without Tyson winning more than one or two rounds. And I'm not even a Klitschko fan.

[BLOODSHED]

Why am I not surprised that Pbds is slamming Tyson whose career and notable wins are ten times better than what Vitali will or ever will accomplish and better than the fighters he's beaten.

...Quite possibly the greatest Media/PR created illusion in the history of sports. I always maintained that someone who didn't fear him would wilt his bully mentality and kick his ass. Buster Douglas did exactly that I think Holy would have beat his ass 99 out of 100 times in Tyson's prime or out of it.

[velvet fog]

Klitchko may look like he is very stiff and stands straight up, but everyone who fights him ends up saying how awkward he is and that he is extremely hard to hit. And that he looks a lot easier to hit on films. It is true that if a prime Tyson lands combos, he would be able to chop down Klit. I dont know if Tyson could change his gameplan if he had the same troubles that other fighters have had with the awkward Klitchko. This is something that people do not give him VK much credit for. I dont know who to pick, but it would be a hell of a fight.

[Dr.Depravity]

The Dude and PBDS are 100 percent right on this. Tyson was all smoke in mirrors. He fought uneven competition and the first guy who came in with some confidence KO'd his ass. (Douglas) Holmes was way too old to consider that a great victory. And his only other noteable fight was against Michael Spinx, who looked like he was going to piss himself the moment Tyson entered the ring.

[ottoevans]

Vitali by late or middle KO. tyson folds again