Question regarding real weightclasses and why they should bring back Same day

[Deevel916]

Weigh-in's.

For example, I keep hearing about how JMM never looked impressive above 135lbs. Now are we talking about weigh in weights where the fighter cuts weight by not eating and dehydrating in order to compete at a lower weight class only to rehydrate and pack on lbs over night in order to gain a weight advantage, or are we talking about the fighters fight night weight where he is healthy and hydrated? If we're talking about the latter, then its impossible to say that JMM never looked impressive above 135lbs when in fact he's always come into the ring 140+ on fight night.

People need to stop confusing natural weight with weigh in weight. Lets see how JMM would perform if he actually fought at his weigh in weights of 135lbs. He would be weak! So to say he never looked impressive above 135 would not be accurate.

This is why I wish they would go back to same day weigh in's. With the current system in place, the majority of fighters are simply manipulating thier weight classes by starving and dehydrating themselves, only to turn around and pack on 10-15lbs over night. How is this fair? You have MW's competing at WW, etc.

[ИATAS]

while it's true with the system we have now everyone just cuts a bunch of weight in order to make a weight class, but we have to remember same day weigh ins are not very safe. Guys will still be cutting weight to make a weight class and what happens is a fighter will then be dehydrated and it's scientifically proven when you're very dehydrated and taking blows to the head, it significantly increases the chances of injury or even death.

Maybe they should do like the IBF does (I think it's the IBF) who has a maximum amount of weight a fighter is allowed to rehydrate after the weigh in the day of the fight (I think it's like 10 pounds or something like that).

That would probably be the best of both worlds.

[jrosales13]

The only reason to bring back same day weigh in is to eliminate bullshit catch weight fights.

And, same day weigh-in JMM more than like would be at JWW and still out of his depth at WW.

We really don't know for a fact what he weigh in the ring on fight night. Because, there no rules to weigh-in on a unofficial scale...It might might say he's 144 but we don't know if he stripped down or weighed in with clothes.

Anyways Pac-JMM III @ 144 is crap. No need to defend shitty fights that hurt the sport more so than do good. Only reason to enjoy this fight if you're the biggest Pac fanboy or the biggest JMM hater.

[jrosales13]

while it's true with the system we have now everyone just cuts a bunch of weight in order to make a weight class, but we have to remember same day weigh ins are not very safe. Guys will still be cutting weight to make a weight class and what happens is a fighter will then be dehydrated and it's scientifically proven when you're very dehydrated and taking blows to the head, it significantly increases the chances of injury or even death.

Maybe they should do like the IBF does (I think it's the IBF) who has a maximum amount of weight a fighter is allowed to rehydrate after the weigh in the day of the fight (I think it's like 10 pounds or something like that).

That would probably be the best of both worlds.

Same day weigh-ins use to be unsafe when we had far fewer weights....Now that we have 17 weight-classes same day weigh in is very doable and not as dangerous as back then.

For instance Lamotta was too small for LHW, so was dehydrating himself dangerously to make MW. But, he would have benefited tremendously if there was a SMW division during his time. And, wouldn't had to drain himself to make a weight.

Same day weigh-in should be brought back IMO.

[ИATAS]

Same day weigh-ins use to be unsafe when we had far fewer weights....Now that we have 17 weight-classes same day weigh in is very doable and not as dangerous as back then.

what? guys are still cutting 30 pounds or more to make a weight class.......

[Deevel916]

while it's true with the system we have now everyone just cuts a bunch of weight in order to make a weight class, but we have to remember same day weigh ins are not very safe. Guys will still be cutting weight to make a weight class and what happens is a fighter will then be dehydrated and it's scientifically proven when you're very dehydrated and taking blows to the head, it significantly increases the chances of injury or even death.Maybe they should do like the IBF does (I think it's the IBF) who has a maximum amount of weight a fighter is allowed to rehydrate after the weigh in the day of the fight (I think it's like 10 pounds or something like that).

That would probably be the best of both worlds.

The way I see it, If a fighter wants to risk his health/life in order to cheat his weight class, then so be it. Just dont complain when you suffer brain damage.

[ИATAS]

The way I see it, If a fighter wants to risk his health/life in order to cheat his weight class, then so be it. Just dont complain when you suffer brain damage.

maybe so, but at the same time, boxing doesn't need deaths and brain damage on a more regular basis.

Like I said, maybe a compromise is ideal. Weigh in the day before the fight, but you're only allowed to rehydrate a maximum of X amount of pounds by fight time.

The other issue I'm sure is that if a fighter doesn't make weight on the day of the fight, and the fight is cancalled, what happens to all the people who traveled to watch the fight? It's disastrous. I'm sure that has a big role in the 24hr weigh ins too.

[Deevel916]

maybe so, but at the same time, boxing doesn't need deaths and brain damage on a more regular basis.

Like I said, maybe a compromise is ideal. Weigh in the day before the fight, but you're only allowed to rehydrate a maximum of X amount of pounds by fight time.

Fair enough!

[jrosales13]

what? guys are still cutting 30 pounds or more to make a weight class.......

But, I doubt they will do it with same day weigh-in...Since they won't have the advantage to do so. They wouldn't the luxury re-hydrate themselves. So they would be more smarter with their approach.

Of course they cuz x amount of pounds now because they got 24 hours to rehydrate. However, same day weigh-ins with all these new weight-classes we have now that we didn't have back then(when it was seen as very dangerous). Would eliminate a lot of the cutting weight.

No doubt some doubt will try it still though.

[ИATAS]

But, I doubt they will do it with same day weigh-in...Since they won't have the advantage to do so. They wouldn't the luxury re-hydrate themselves. So they would be more smarter with their approach.

Of course they cuz x amount of pounds now because they got 24 hours to rehydrate. However, same day weigh-ins with all these new weight-classes we have now that we didn't have back then(when it was seen as very dangerous). Would eliminate a lot of the cutting weight.

No doubt some doubt will try it still though.

people will still be cutting weight though regardless if it's 24 hours or same day. If you're 6'0 and can make 154 instead of 160 or 168 so you can have a good height/reach advantage, most guys are going to do it. They did it back then even with same day weigh ins, they'd do it now too.

Plus you have guys that simply aren't in shape in between fights and when training camp starts they have to cut a ton of weight, so it's not necessarily always just about having an advantage it's often about just getting into shape and making weight.