Comments Thread For: Arum: Marquez Trilogy is Very Personal For Pacquiao

[BoZz]

THiS FIGHT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING..REMEMBER JMM HAD TO TRAIN IN BOXING AND PLUS BE ON A DIET JUST TO BE FIT AND STRONG ENOUGH TO FIGHT DUCKQIOA...WHILE DUCKQIAO ONLY HAD TO SHARPEN UP HIS BOXING SKILLS..

IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME ..EVERY GUY HE FACES HAS TO BE ON A DIET ..THEY ALL HAVE TO LOSE WEIGHT STARVE THEM SELF..IN THIS CASE JMM HAD TO GAIN PROPER MUSCLE WEIGHT..THAT'S HARD ENOUGH..THEN OF COURSE DOING HIS BOXING THING...

THIS FIGHT IS NOTHING ANOTHER CATCH WEIGHT FIGHT WHICH SHOULD OF HAPPENED AGES AGO BEFORE DUCKQIAO RAN UP IN WEIGHT TO FACE WEIGHT DRAINED DAMAGED GOODS FROM TOP RANK !!!!!!!

[BoZz]

its always personal.. after 3 year year intervals. fighting a near 40yr old Marquez.. smh.

true.....................

[LeadUppercut]

ok mofo, you better not hide like you always do...you havent owned up on that schooling you got from me about weightclasses dumbass..here's a proof:

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Originally Posted by LeadUppercut
Ya funny kid.

You said..... " how many weighclasses you think they have back in the early 20's and before that? "

FACT:In the 1920's, and immediately prior, there were 8 divisions, you idiot.

It is hilarious that every single person who has ever read one of your posts is well aware that you are a non-boxing fanboy, and yet here you are arguing with me about something you know absolutely nothing about.

It is ridiculous that you think a genuine boxing fan would need to research something so basic, but even more ridiculous that you are about to do so yourself

Good luck with that.

The funny thing is, prior to that point, weight was not an issue, because there was no such thing as divisions or a weigh-in.

" yaay Manny"..... you think ?

NO, because before divisions were recognised there was no such thing as a catchweight, so like I stated earlier, Pac would have to fight as the smaller man instead of draining his opponent.

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Originally Posted by puga

let's see ...flyweight, bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight...that’s 8...

here are the super-featherweight champions from the 1920's era...

1921-11-18 1923-05-30 Johnny Dundee World
1923-05-30 1923-12-17 Jack Bernstein World
1923-12-17 1924-06-20 Johnny Dundee World
1924-06-20 1924-12-15 Steve Sullivan World
1924-12-15 1925-12-02 Mike Ballerino World
1925-12-02 1929-12-20 Tod Morgan World
1929-12-20 1931-07-15 Benny Bass World

here are the champions in the junior- welterweight around those times ....

1923-01-30 1925-03-27 Pinky Mitchell World
1925-03-27 1925-03-31 James Red Herring World
1926-09-21 1930-02-18 Mushy Callahan World
1930-02-18 1931-04-24 Jack Kid Berg World
1931-04-24 1932-01-18 Tony Canzoneri World

8 + 2 = how many leaduppercut?... do you still feel like you know ****?.........did you just get owned or did you just get owned?...lol


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Originally Posted by LeadUppercut
They are lightweights you fkn idiot


That is a collection of lightweights and welters, you fkn idiot

Smarten up kid.

Traditional Eight Divisions


These are commonly known today as the "traditional divisions," which were basically the only weight classes throughout the early 20th Century, before the numerous "super," "junior" and "light" classes were added.

Flyweight 8 st (50,802 Kg / 112 lb)
Bantamweight 8 st 6 lbs (53,525 kg / 118 lbs)
Featherweight 9 st (57,153 kg / 126 lbs)
Lightweight 9 st 9 lbs (61,235 kg / 135 lbs)
Welterweight 10½ st (66,678 kg / 147 lbs)
Middleweight 11 st 6 lbs (72,574 kg / 160 lbs)
Light Heavyweight 12½ st (79,378 kg / 175 lbs)
Heavyweight (unlimited)

History of the Weight Divisions

The 21 National Sporting Club (NSC) Rules- (1891-?) London-based private club amends 12 Queensberry Rules, modifying with new augment rules with nine specific criteria, such as designating role of officials; devised a system of scoring bouts; and enabled referee to determine who won. Major accomplishment transpired in 1909 ratification vote and 1910 implementation of 8 traditional weight classes:

Weight Class History:

17 alphabetical weight classes [Cruiserweight by the World Boxing Council (in 1979); Super Middleweight (or junior light heavyweight) in Utah in 1967, by the Ohio Boxing Commission (in 1974), by the World Athletic Association in 1982, and officially by the International Boxing Federation (in 1984); and Mini-Flyweight (Strawweight or Minimumweight) by the International Boxing Federation (in 1987). NOTE: Cruiserweight limit was changed from 190-195 to a uniform 200, and was recognized by the World Boxing Council, World Boxing Association and International Boxing Federation (in 2004)].

You are a moron kid.

This is a list of Super featherweight boxing champions, as recognized by boxing organizations:

The World Boxing Association (WBA), established in 1921 as the National Boxing Association (NBA).
The World Boxing Council (WBC), established in 1963.
The International Boxing Federation (IBF), established in 1983.
The World Boxing Organization (WBO), established in 1988.
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Reign Began Reign Ended Champion Recognition
World
1921-11-18 1923-05-30 Johnny Dundee World
1923-05-30 1923-12-17 Jack Bernstein World
1923-12-17 1924-06-20 Johnny Dundee World
1924-06-20 1924-12-15 Steve Sullivan World
1924-12-15 1925-12-02 Mike Ballerino World
1925-12-02 1929-12-20 Tod Morgan World
1929-12-20 1931-07-15 Benny Bass World




This is a chronological List of World Super Lightweight/Light Welterweight/Junior Welterweight Boxing Champions, as recognized by four of the better-known sanctioning organizations:

The World Boxing Association(WBA), founded in 1921 as the National Boxing Association (NBA),
The World Boxing Council (WBC), founded in 1963,
The International Boxing Federation (IBF), founded in 1983,
The World Boxing Organization (WBO), founded in 1988,
Reign Began Reign Ended Champion Recognition
World
1923-01-30 1925-03-27 Pinky Mitchell World
1925-03-27 1925-03-31 James Red Herring World
1926-09-21 1930-02-18 Mushy Callahan World
1930-02-18 1931-04-24 Jack Kid Berg World
1931-04-24 1932-01-18 Tony Canzoneri World
1932-01-18 1933-02-20 Johnny Ja**** World
1933-02-20 1933-05-21 Battling Shaw World
1933-05-21 1933-06-23 Tony Canzoneri World
1933-06-23 1935-04-09-Vacated Barney Ross World
1946-04-29 1946-09-13-Vacated Tippy Larkin World


youre ****** ass already got owned yet ,you still talking ....alright , get own again **** head!

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...504097&page=14

Aaaah, that dribble

Well, you have a funny memory kid, because the very first list that you posted, and stated were JWW, were all lightweights, you lost credibility after that and just came across like a whiney b1tch

Hey, seeing that you know how to use google, how about you answer the following questions.....

A truly great fighter leaves more answers than questions, but Pacquiao has left more questions than answers. Questions like.....

* Could Pac have beaten Zahir Raheem, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten JMM in a rematch at 130, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten a top lightweight, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a top jww, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Hoya, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Hoya at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Cotto, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Cotto at 147, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Margarito, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito at 154, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten Margarito with 10oz gloves, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a Clottey that fought back, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a genuine jmw, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a prime Mosley, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac have beaten a past-prime Mosley when he first had the chance back when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac have beaten Ortiz (a guy who laid hands on him in sparring - Roach named that session as "the best sparring ever", a guy who beat a fighter who Arum admitted was on Pac's own shortlist, and a guy who was ranked higher than any welter Pac has ever fought), cuz he didnt want none?

* Could Pac beat JMM now at 140 (Pac's best weight, according to Manny), cuz he will not allow that to happen, 145lbs (a weight that Manny has never made himself ) was the deal-breaker? *** me, that is absurd.

* Could Pac have beaten Martinez for that vacant WBC title, cuz he didnt?

* Could Pac beat Martinez at 150 now ("I will fight anyone at 150" ~ Manny Pacquiao), cuz he dont want none? Pac? Manny? Where'd that guy go?

* Could Pac beat Mayweather, cuz he hasnt?

* Could Pac pass Olympic Style Drug Testing, cuz he dont want none?

Jeez dude, that is one helluva shopping list full of unanswered questions about a supposedly great fighter.

I mean, that list is not complete either, **** we can go right back to fly, could Pac have beaten Too Sharp? Why didnt that fight happen, just like at lw, jww, and welter?

WTF ?

Surely that cant be right, because Pacquiao certainly had not achieved traditional greatness before the highly controversial win/loss to Marquez?

Many fighters achieved greatness by fighting under the old divisional system, back when there was only one champion, using same day weigh-in's, and they did it by fighting as the smaller man..... Pacquiao has certainly never done anything like that.

Are you sure that you arent just drinking the kool-aid dude ?

Justify that rubbish to me fanboy, and lets see if your bold claim that you are extremely "knowledgeable" will stand up to a little test.

Then, you can explain to me why Freddie Roach admitted that Pacquiao is a cherry-picking b1tch.....