The main problem with Hopkins......

[Sparked_1985]

well right, obviously you can't apply people who sacrificed their lives for their country to a boxer. Also boxing is an individual sport so the line where you say you wouldn't want hopkins beside you in the trenches doesn't apply either, as again, this is an individual sport where you look out for yourself and only yourself. Now as far as bernard as the person, from what I've gathered he's dedicated husband and father. These are things we don't get to see from hopkins because that part of his life his hidden from the public (his own choice mostly). he gives a lot to charities, to his communities, etc., again most all that stuff he does without any publicity. Is that heroic? To some, yeah.

It does apply for me, unfortunately.

The flaw in the thinking is obvious but I know I'm not alone in that sort of outlook.

[Rome-By-Ko]

He's not heroic.


Adjective:
Having the characteristics of a hero or heroine; very brave.
Noun:
Behavior or talk that is bold or dramatic.
Synonyms:
brave - valiant - valorous


He is a legend of the sport and our oldest world champion but he's not heroic.

No such thing as heroic failure for Hopkins only failure.

It's about winning fights,damn everything else...

[ИATAS]

It does apply for me, unfortunately.

The flaw in the thinking is obvious but I know I'm not alone in that sort of outlook.

I'm sure you're not alone. But how could we even know based on what a fighter does inside the ring?

Maybe if you go by his personality type, I suppose, as he does give off the impression he's only out for himself but again, that's what individual sports are about mostly. I wouldn't say I want rafael nadal beside me in the trenches lol.

[AmeriFil]

he is old.

[FIGHTING_FLIP]

it takes balls to just even train everyday. let alone be a professional fighter with over 40+ fights. have you ever boxed before?

[Chuckguy]

I thought he was very brave traveling to canada to fight pascal in his home turf and getting off the canvas twice early in the fight and fighting his ass off to get the draw (win). I thought he was brave fighting pavlik after everyone told him he should retire after calzaghe. I thought he was brave moving up two weight classes at the age of 41 after losing twice to taylor and fighting The Man in Tarver.

So yeah, maybe he should have or maybe he shouldn't have continued against Dawson. I would definitely not question how brave he is though, he's proved he's brave just about every time he takes a challenge and he's taken more challenges post 40 years of age then a lot of guys in their primes.

hey Nat seriously do you believe he was injured in that fight?
It was kinda bad but not that bad going by video of course we dont know what he felt or didnt feel
but it was a boring fight and I had no one really winning
its not like Chad hit him a few times to make him think of snap i dont think i can beat this guy
your thoughts ...

[ИATAS]

hey Nat seriously do you believe he was injured in that fight?
It was kinda bad but not that bad going by video of course we dont know what he felt or didnt feel
but it was a boring fight and I had no one really winning
its not like Chad hit him a few times to make him think of snap i dont think i can beat this guy
your thoughts ...

well it's been confirmed he was actually injured, so I don't think that's debatable anymore.

What's debatable is whether or not he could have and should have continued.

This is a post I made some days ago:

Remember when Jay Cutler of the chicago bears got injured against the packers last year and everyone and their mama suddenly became doctors and said he was faking and that "if I were him I would have played!" and took a giant dump on him?

Then it turned out he truly was injured?

yeah. Similar thing here with hopkins. It's easy to watch on the seat of your couch or computer chair and say "oh he quit! he's faking" versus being the actual person who went through the injury the first place.

Could Jay Cutler have continued? Probably. Probably would have got killed and injured even more being that he was getting sacked every 3-5 plays and possibly ruined his entire career. Could hopkins have continued? Probably. With limited use of one arm and would have surly lost with only the right hand to operate with, not too mention risks further injury.

Everyone on this site is a warrior who would fight with two broken arms, one eye, 18 cuts, a nosebleed and a broken leg. Without question.

So that's basically how I feel about it. He was injured, he probably could have continued but doing so would have resulted in a sure loss on something he felt was a foul.

As for the actual incident I had this to say:

not one person is to blame, ok? Hopkins lunged in with a punch, dawson ducked really low. the result was hopkins momentum from the missed punch making him lean on chad, dawson in turn lifted up and used his shoulder to push him off.

No one intentionally did anything wrong. Dawson was just trying to get him off, hopkins simply lunged and missed from the punch and the result was an unfortunate event. In addition the ref also handled the situation poorly.

So lets not get into the debate of pointing fingers. All three people in the ring were partially to blame, but imo, none of if it was intentional. Just an unfortunate event no different than how an unintentional headbutt ends a fight. It's just one of those situations in boxing that can happen.

[heat27]

at least he doesn't **** white bitches!

Kobe didnt **** any1

[Larry the boss]

lol..is this serious?

[Sparked_1985]

I'm sure you're not alone. But how could we even know based on what a fighter does inside the ring?

Maybe if you go by his personality type, I suppose, as he does give off the impression he's only out for himself but again, that's what individual sports are about mostly. I wouldn't say I want rafael nadal beside me in the trenches lol.

fair enough, lol.

Nadal quits all the time, too. If it isn't a big tournament.

Hopkins will never fit my perception of a hero, due partly to what you say about his personality type and how he comes across in press-cons and the rest of it but also his gamesmanship in the ring (the Calzaghe, Jones II, Dawson.)

He is a winner though - through and through.

I think bunking up with Hopkins in a war would leave me having to arm myself with a fork. After he decided it really would be better for him to have two guns.

Like you say, he is a bit of a mystery and I don't know him at all but what he puts across to the media usually isn't great. My enduring memory of him is him shouting at Steve Bunce and telling him the room was too cold when they were doing a promo for the Calzaghe fight.