P4P is just a popularity list

[Ring Leader]

Anyone that wins by stunning KO or is the new flavor of the month shoots up the p4p rankings whether their win is significant or not. Donaire had a good win against Montiel but out of no where shoots to #3 or #4 P4P. Same with Martinez KO'ing Paul Williams. Personally the best fighter P4P is Yuriorkis Gamboa, could you imagine if this guy was American and had a big mouth on him? In terms of boxing skill Guillermo Rigondeaux is top 5.

People forget what P4P means, its the list of best fighters according to how they would do if they all were on an even playing field in terms of their weight. Think about it P4P do you think if Gamboa and Sergio were at the same weight would Sergio win? Sergio is regarded higher P4P but if Gamboa was a middleweight with the speed and power he has at featherweight it wouldnt even be close.

Gamboa should be P4P #1

[bojangles1987]

It's not just about flashy wins for most people, it has a lot to do with resume, which is why Gamboa is not up there yet. Martinez beat a guy who was in the p4p top 5, and kind of inherited his spot, which is a little high for where he belongs, but its not like he hasn't earned the right to be above Gamboa at the moment. Donaire only drops off the list because of his inactivity, he also stone cold knocked out Darchinyan and beat Sidorenko easily.

That's how I look at it, anyway.

[Ring Leader]

It's not just about flashy wins for most people, it has a lot to do with resume, which is why Gamboa is not up there yet. Martinez beat a guy who was in the p4p top 5, and kind of inherited his spot, which is a little high for where he belongs, but its not like he hasn't earned the right to be above Gamboa at the moment.

That's how I look at it, anyway. It's easy for a guy to look better than another fighter when he isn't fighting the same level of competition.

Great that you brought up Paul Williams because IMO he was the most overrated active fighter, he is freakishly tall for his weight divisions but is sloppy...Don't get why he was regarded top 5 or even #3 P4P, just shows how silly P4P lists are in some people's eyes

[bojangles1987]

Great that you brought up Paul Williams because IMO he was the most overrated active fighter, he is freakishly tall for his weight divisions but is sloppy...Don't get why he was regarded top 5 or even #3 P4P, just shows how silly P4P lists are in some people's eyes

Paul Williams had some damn good wins, but he did get overrated because of the guys that wouldn't fight him, no doubt. Martinez inherited that overratedness. Still, if you look at who Martinez or Donaire have beaten in their careers, they should still be above a guy like Gamboa. Skills are one thing, making those skills matter at a world class level is something else.

Gamboa is definitely on his way, but usually guys who have proven themselves for years get the top spots.

[Ring Leader]

Paul Williams had some damn good wins, but he did get overrated because of the guys that wouldn't fight him, no doubt. Martinez inherited that overratedness. Still, if you look at who Martinez or Donaire have beaten in their careers, they should still be above a guy like Gamboa. Skills are one thing, making those skills matter at a world class level is something else.

Gamboa is definitely on his way, but usually guys who have proven themselves for years get the top spots.

Consider this since it is what P4P really is, justifying Williams P4P #3 before the Martinez loss, would you favor him in a fight with Donaire if they were in the same division and same size category?

Martinez inheriting Williams' overrated status in P4P proves the point that the P4P lists out there are just popularity and based out of being flavor of the month. Same with UFC P4P where they just arrange the UFC Champs as top P4P and everyone else scattered afterward...just popularity with them too since the Champs get more promotion

See how Williams fell down P4P from 1 loss? He lost the flavor of the month status and fell way down proving the flavor/popularity theory

[WARQUEZ]

P4P means fantasy match ups now?

"If Gamboa was a middleweight he'd beat Sergio!!"

Lol.

[Spray_resistant]

To some extent yes it is just a list of popular fighters so casual fans can get familiar with them but generally fighters who are popular are winning quite often.

[Ring Leader]

P4P means fantasy match ups now?

"If Gamboa was a middleweight he'd beat Sergio!!"

Lol.

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Comparing Gamboa and Sergio P4P is a fantasy match up but thats what P4P is derived from ...

[CubanGuyNYC]

I have no problem whatsoever with the guys generally considered to be at the top of the P4P rankings.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather

(If someone wants to put one over the other, I could see the argument.)

3. Martinez
4. Donaire

(I think Sergio is a pretty solid #3 at this point. Nonito's place is debatable. Now that he's moving up, we'll get a better idea.)

I think Gamboa and Rigondeaux are certainly potential top P4P fighters. Their skills and abilities are not in question. Yuri needs to beat some big names, however, and Rigo needs to get a lot more fights in, before they can move up the P4P ladder.

[bojangles1987]

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Comparing Gamboa and Sergio P4P is a fantasy match up but thats what P4P is derived from ...

But the best way to determine if a fighter is good enough to beat another fighter if to look at who they've fought. Resume usually plays a large part in who ranks where in p4p rankings.