Not only was Tyson not in his prime but Buster got a long count

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

He didn't lose his skills he just got lazy.

he needed kevin rooney end of story
when he lost rooney he lost his prime.

[TuPrincipe]

Tyson was at his prime when he fought Douglas. Just because Rooney wasn't training him anymore doesn't mean much. When your at your prime, its much harder to improve. Tyson didn't lose his skills, he got lazy, and stopped throwing his combinations because he always relied on one punch to knock a guy out.

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

Tyson was at his prime when he fought Douglas. Just because Rooney wasn't training him anymore doesn't mean much. When your at your prime, its much harder to improve. Tyson didn't lose his skills, he got lazy, and stopped throwing his combinations because he always relied on one punch to knock a guy out.

the loss of rooney was the loss of his
prime. since people dont want to admit it
then buster got a long count

[TuPrincipe]

I'm going to re-post what I posted in another thread.

Here it goes Mike Tyson Jr. This one's for you.

Like it or not, a fighter is inevitably measured by the level of competition he faced, and how he fared aganist his elite foes. Lewis isnt fair, but Holyfield dominating him certainly is. I also don't really buy the sob-story stuff either. Plenty of fighters have the rags-to-riches story, antonio tarver being a present day example. The point is, a fighter's true character is shown (or exposed, in this case), when he faces adversity in the ring. When has tyson ever showed the "heart of a champion"?

Tyson's personal problems may have cause him to be exposed aganist Douglas, but it certainly would have happened down the line, like in the first holyfield fight. He had the greatest physical tools ever there's no denying that but given his intagibles (or lack thereof), how could you say that he would defeat any of the all-time greats, when he didn't?

Lastly, Tyson had a great management who was able to project an image of tyson that inspired fear in his B-C quality opponents. A fighter's greatness is revealed when he faces adversity in and out of the ring. tyson folded like a chair during adversities. Was Tyson really great? He may of had the physical tools but was he truly great?

[!!Captain]

he wasnt trained by kevin rooney anymore
so he wasnt the same tyson i'm tired of
tellin people that. all they have to do is
watch the tapes theyll see when rooney left
he lost his skills. since people dont want to
listen then I say *** em Buster got a long count
which he did anyway.

You either have skills or you don't. Do you know the meaning of the word "prime"? Man, take Mike's picture off your avatar, you are giving him a bad name.

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

I'm going to re-post what I posted in another thread.

Here it goes Mike Tyson Jr. This one's for you.

Like it or not, a fighter is inevitably measured by the level of competition he faced, and how he fared aganist his elite foes. Lewis isnt fair, but Holyfield dominating him certainly is. I also don't really buy the sob-story stuff either. Plenty of fighters have the rags-to-riches story, antonio tarver being a present day example. The point is, a fighter's true character is shown (or exposed, in this case), when he faces adversity in the ring. When has tyson ever showed the "heart of a champion"?

Tyson's personal problems may have cause him to be exposed aganist Douglas, but it certainly would have happened down the line, like in the first holyfield fight. He had the greatest physical tools ever there's no denying that but given his intagibles (or lack thereof), how could you say that he would defeat any of the all-time greats, when he didn't?

Lastly, Tyson had a great management who was able to project an image of tyson that inspired fear in his B-C quality opponents. A fighter's greatness is revealed when he faces adversity in and out of the ring. tyson folded like a chair during adversities. Was Tyson really great? He may of had the physical tools but was he truly great?

he loss to holyfield, lewis and all to those
other guys after he spent 4 years rotting in
prison. That damaged his body badly he wssnt the
same. Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis, McBride, Williams
all would have been murdered by Tyson in 1988 which
was the year Tyson was at his peak. And Buster got
a long count.

[TuPrincipe]

Clearly I have proved my point while You haven't.

Tyson had all the physical tools on paper, but when it came down to it if you stood up to him, you could beat him. There's NO denying that Tyson could of beat these guys, but the facts are there. He lost and there should be no excuses.

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

Clearly I have proved my point while You haven't.

Tyson had all the physical tools on paper, but when it came down to it if you stood up to him, you could beat him. There's NO denying that Tyson could of beat these guys, but the facts are there. He lost and there should be no excuses.

and Buster still got a long count.

[TuPrincipe]

And Tyson still lost. Tyson has got the benefit of the doubt in every single important fight on his career, but why? He shouldn't be named in with the greats like Ali, Holmes, and Louis because he lost 4 out of his 6 major fights. He only beat a light-heavy and an out of prime Holmes.

No matter what you say the facts are that Tyson lost to Buster Douglas.

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

And Tyson still lost. Tyson has got the benefit of the doubt in every single important fight on his career, but why? He shouldn't be named in with the greats like Ali, Holmes, and Louis because he lost 4 out of his 6 major fights. He only beat a light-heavy and an out of prime Holmes.

No matter what you say the facts are that Tyson lost to Buster Douglas.

it counted as a loss but i know the
truth and thats all that matters to me.