Comments Thread For: Roach, Ariza Expect Pacquiao To Punish, Stop Marquez

[beatnutts]

I think most of you guys don't know **** about boxing. We all know Pac will win and will win probably by knockout but you guys don't know who JMM is. I agree that Pac has improved and is more complete but this fight means nothing. I mean, JMM is 38 years old and will be fighting at a weight that is clearly too high for him. So yeah, Pac is better but this isn't the same JMM that fought a competitive fight against Pac years ago. I'm not giving Manny credit for this fight against JMM and the same goes for Mayweather. Maybe its not their fault but look at their recent opponents. Oscar was old when they fought him, Mosley was old also, and you can pretty much say the same thing about them fighting an old JMM. They also fought an overrated Hatton.

[Hindsight 20/10]

as much as i hate to say it, i agree.
however, this is only because the weight demands from these two ****s.
they know full well that jmm won the first two and they also know that anything above 147 puts jmm in the losers seat.
they look for these advantages when fighting anyone.
i dont like roach sayin "once and for all" because this does not count.
in my eyes it would be a straight 2-1 jmm.
but, with an advantage that roach needs for his man to win, its not a fair deal for juan manuel and everyone knows it.
he was so desperate for the fight he would have fought at 154 if he had to and a 100%-0% split.
roach and "areefa" are transparent with this issue.

You b!tch more than Marquez, who is the only one that has the right to b!tch. The fight is at 144lbs not 147, and Marquez is the one who wanted the fight not Manny. So Marquez has to make concessions - the previous fights were at JMM's weight class (126-130lbs). Now it's at Mannys, so fair is fair. Marquez has fought at 144lbs before so he knows what to do and what not to do to prep for this fight. Come fight night there will be a 4-6pbs weight difference so weight will not be an issue. So I don't see your argument at all.

[p4p-champ]

Good thing Roach is stating the obvious because for a minute I thought Manny was doomed against the junior lightweight.

[iNDOLiFER]

I think most of you guys don't know **** about boxing. We all know Pac will win and will win probably by knockout but you guys don't know who JMM is. I agree that Pac has improved and is more complete but this fight means nothing. I mean, JMM is 38 years old and will be fighting at a weight that is clearly too high for him. So yeah, Pac is better but this isn't the same JMM that fought a competitive fight against Pac years ago. I'm not giving Manny credit for this fight against JMM and the same goes for Mayweather. Maybe its not their fault but look at their recent opponents. Oscar was old when they fought him, Mosley was old also, and you can pretty much say the same thing about them fighting an old JMM. They also fought an overrated Hatton.

Because not everyone can stand around and give eachother rematch. Their first fight was in 04 and their second one was in 08. It took 4 years for the rematch now the trilogy is 3 years apart from the rematch. Manny improved and started moving up u can't expect him to put whatever plan of moving up in weight on hold just to give Marquez a third fight right after the rematch.

[Mr. Invincible]

Unless Pacquiao can again hurt, but this time finish Marquez, he's in for another tough fight. JMM reduced his punch output because he knows the angles and distance Pacquiao wants to be able to let his hands go and doesn't give it to him. He used Pacquiao's lack of jab and hunger to fight against him.

Pacquiao has changed, but the changes aren't going to hide what's built in him. Mosley employed part of the strategy (reduced Pacquiao's punch output by 10-50 punches per round), but didn't/couldn't/wouldn't use the counterpunch necessary to actually try to win a round.

Pacquiao's going to have to hurt him and take him out this time or we'll be seeing a microcosm of the first 2 fights. One tactic Pacquiao can do this time that he couldn't before and could catch JMM off guard is for Pacquiao to get into the high guard he's comfortable in and bait him similar to what happened against Cotto. JMM will take the bait because he's a fighter through and through; he'll put his head in Pacquiao's chest and let his combinations go, but he's liable to be caught off guard.

Pac has greatly improved over the last few years. He will run over Marquez, that's a promise. I would be willing to bet a lot of pts on it too if you want.

[Yaconcha]

if im not mistaken its not 147.. and even if it is at 200lbs limit the weight difference between the two fighters will be insignificant coz they have the same size. Marquez is even taller than pacquiao.

Its only a matter of who needs who, All i am saying is, If pacquiao is fighting at 120 today the fight will be at 120. Same goes to Sergio,Tim bradley, or anyone who wants to fight pacquiao.

my mistake, 145 is it? anyway i disagree about pacman beating jmm at lightweight or super feather.
ok, pacman lost no speed and gained power with experience and better ring craft with post marquez fights but, jmm is a technical marvel and awesome counter hitter even given pacmans speed, he(marquez) scored many a counter shot and it score him two wins in my view.
if he can avoid the big shots he wins.
his technical ability i think is better than pacman.
i still say pacman will win though, i just hope he doesnt really hurt him with any lasting affects.
also, just to raise a point i saw in the first post and that is marquez is coming to win by ko and not just for a pay check!
pacman might be mad but, marquez is madder!

[beatnutts]

Not only will weight be an issue, age will be an issue too. Everyone's body is different. Some boxers can fluctuate their weight better than others and JMM is not one of those guys that can. On top of that, the guy is 38 years old and when you reach that age weight matters because its a lot harder for older boxers to fluctuate their weight. That **** takes a toll on your body so that why you only see younger boxers do it not guys that are 38 years old.

And the previous fights were at JMM weight class but it was Manny's weight class also. Manny fought between 9 or 11 fights at featherweight and super featherweight so yeah, it was his weight class and it was fair at the time. The only reason why Manny is able to gain weight now and fight at 140-147 is because he's 5 years younger than JMM. I mean, 5 years from now, do you think Manny will move up 10 pounds and fight at 154 because that's essentially what JMM is doing.

[Toyman]

Not only will weight be an issue, age will be an issue too. Everyone's body is different. Some boxers can fluctuate their weight better than others and JMM is not one of those guys that can. On top of that, the guy is 38 years old and when you reach that age weight matters because its a lot harder for older boxers to fluctuate their weight. That **** takes a toll on your body so that why you only see younger boxers do it not guys that are 38 years old.

And the previous fights were at JMM weight class but it was Manny's weight class also. Manny fought between 9 or 11 fights at featherweight and super featherweight so yeah, it was his weight class and it was fair at the time. The only reason why Manny is able to gain weight now and fight at 140-147 is because he's 5 years younger than JMM. I mean, 5 years from now, do you think Manny will move up 10 pounds and fight at 154 because that's essentially what JMM is doing.

pac did look somewhat drained in the 2nd fight weigh in though.

[WESS]

Jmm (rip)

Easy fight. Pac is an ATG former JMW WORLD Champion and current WW World champion because he beat Mosley who was the world WW Champion. Now the Former undisputed KING at JMW and current king at WW is fighting the king at LW... and will destroy him.

Here is why...

-Pac has fought current ATG World Champions back to back, my fellow brother Pac fans know this.

-Pac beat a WW ATG god like Cotto who has never been hurt or stopped.

-Pac nearly KO'ed an ATG Clottey who was basically undefeated and is by far one of the best WW's ever to lace them up, which is why an ATG like Pac fought him instead of a POS never has been coward and bum like Mayweather who has never even won a legitimate fight in his entire life. He's not even a real fighter or boxer. He is made up and a myth. He is a dumb dumb ****** head too.

-Pac has fought an ATG like Margarito who has fists of steel and has NEVER been hurt or stopped in his entire career. true story.

-Pac fought the legendary current World WW Champion Shane Mosley who Floyd would NEVER step in the ring with because Rodger said Mosley was "too good". So Floyd is considered p*ssy coward for ducking a world champion like Mosley.

-Pac has beaten current WW death-murder-killers in their prime back to back to back.

-Pac even beat an ATG legendary fighter like Diaz before ever actually killing De La Hoya (RIP) who was coming off a controversial loss to Trinidad. Hoya beat Trinidad and Pac fought the REAL winner which was the ATG Hoya..

-Pac is a legend who ONLY fights Champions no losers, old men or cheaters. He is a GOD and gods like him destroy world killers especially little LW old men named JMM.... who have never looked good at WW.

Even Team Pac agrees. Easy fight. It will end early. Pac will Ricky Hatton JMM.

Floyd fans can hate all they want. They know I only speak the truth and my fellow Pac fans all agree with me because I keep it 100%....

Pac fan for life....... bytches!

[Yaconcha]

You b!tch more than Marquez, who is the only one that has the right to b!tch. The fight is at 144lbs not 147, and Marquez is the one who wanted the fight not Manny. So Marquez has to make concessions - the previous fights were at JMM's weight class (126-130lbs). Now it's at Mannys, so fair is fair. Marquez has fought at 144lbs before so he knows what to do and what not to do to prep for this fight. Come fight night there will be a 4-6pbs weight difference so weight will not be an issue. So I don't see your argument at all.

my mistake, i stand corrected over the weight.
yes marquez did want the fight and the pacman camp did not unless, he jumped up in weight.
they saw what happened in the two previous fights and knew that if they fought at anything below 140 or there abouts, it would be cause for alarm as this area is where jmm is most dangerous.
the weight in which they fought at before was their joint weight class, neither was coming up or going down.
pacmans camp are not ******, they know full well marquez is a not a credible threat to pacman at anything above lightweight.
we have all seen what distruction pacman has caused at around welterweight and this will be no different.
i dont object to pacman or roach insisting on 144 because it is jmm who wants it but, they know its easy pickings and its just wrong.
its kind of a catch 22 situation, here we have jmm who wants to avenge defeat and pacman(roach and ariza) want to shut him up BUT, their respective weight class will give one or the other the advantage and guess who gets the advantage pacman.
this is classic freddie roach and ariza, cmon...
and you talk about fairs fair?
its just a shame that we cant see another superfeatherweight clash between these magnificant fighters.