If Floyd beats Sergio, would he rank higher than Pac???

[4Corners]

i don't think even beating sergio would be enough for floyd to pass over pac on the atg list....even now...

people are just putting on too much weight on floyd vs sergio...

perhaps bcoz people are now accepting the pac vs floyd will never happen...

Before 2009, NO ONE had Pac on the same level of ATG as Mayweather. People put everything into Pac's wins over Hatton and Cotto to elevate him over Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez is a great fighter, and he needs that ONE HUGE win to be an all-time great in my book. He beat Pavlik and Williams, and if he can get a win over a Mayweather, Ward, or a Pacquiao...Sergio would without a doubt be an ATG. If Mayweather were to beat Sergio, it would be huge. Sergio is bigger, just as fast, throws pucnhes in bunches at times, and has one punch KO power, and is at his peak. If Floyd went up in weight to beat him, it would be big. It would epic if Floyd beat him at 160, but that will NEVER happen.

You can't seriously rank Pac THAT much higher than Mayweather, can you???

Look back at Mayweather and Pacquiao's biggest fights in their careers, who was in their prime, who was coming off wins or losses, etc.

Mayweather's big fights:
G. Hernandez- Past prime but still good, coming off wins and hadn't lost in 3 years.
Manfredy- Prime, coming off a win over a prime Arturo Gatti, hadn't lost in 5 years.
Corrales- Prime, unbeaten.
C. Hernandez- Prime, hadn't lost in like 4-5 years (Morlales later fought him as well).
Chavez- Prime, hadn't lost in like 4 years (Morales later fought him too).
Castillo 1- Latter prime, hadn't lost in 4 years and coming off win over Johnston.
Castillo 2- Latter prime, immediate rematch.
N'dou- Prime, hadn't lost in like 6 years.
Gatti- Past prime, coming off 5 straight wins, hadn't lost in 3 years.
Judah- Latter prime, coming off loss to Baldomir.
Baldomir- Past prime but still good, hadn't lost in 8 years, coming off win over Judah.
De La Hoya- Past prime, coming off win over Mayorga in his comeback. At 154 lbs.
Hatton- Latter prime, unbeaten, coming off big wins.
Marquez- Past prime but still good, only loss in 3-4 years was a SD loss to Pac.
Mosley- Past prime, coming off big win over Margarito.
Ortiz- Prime, coming 5 straight wins and a draw he should have won, just beaten Berto.

Pacquiao's big fights:
Ledwaba- Prime, coming off wins.
Barrera- Latter prime, coming off wins.
Marquez (DRAW)- Latter prime, coming off wins.
Morales 1 (LOSS)- Latter prime, coming off a loss to Barrera.
Morales 2- Latter prime/past prime but still good, coming off loss to Raheem.
Morales 3- Past prime but still good, immediate rematch.
Barrera 2- Past prime, coming off loss to Marquez.
Solis- Prime, unbeaten.
Marquez 2- Past prime but still good, hadn't lost in 3 years.
Diaz- Past prime but still good, coming off wins.
De La Hoya- Past prime, coming off loss to Mayweather. At 147 lbs.
Hatton- Past prime but still good. Coming off loss to Mayweather and sub par outings vs Lazcano and Malignaggi.
Cotto- Past prime but still good, coming off loss to Margarito and SD win over Clottey.
Clottey- Past prime, coming off loss to Cotto, hadn't won a fight in 2 years.
Margarito- Past prime, coming off loss to Mosley.
Mosley- Past prime, coming off loss to Mayweather and draw with Mora.
Marquez- Past prime, already beaten at 144 by Mayweather, coming off decent wins.

Pac definitely fights guys coming off losses way more than Mayweather. Barrera is an all-time great. Pac's greatest win (unless he beats Mayweather). Morales and Marquez may be all time greats as well, but Pac only beat Morales after Raheem exposed the fact that Morales was not the same guy, and he arguably lost to Marquez twice, only to beat him now when he's 2-3 years removed from being a good fighter at all.

Mayweather argubaly lost to Castillo in the first fight, but he gave him an immediate rematch and won convincingly.

Both have fought guys past their prime, Pac probably a bit more so, but Mayweather's past prime opponents (Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley) were all coming off wins. Pac's past prime opponents (Barrera 2, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez) aren't coming off big wins at all.

Their resumes, considreing everything about each guy going into the fight, and the general outlook as to how the fighter was going in, both fighters are pretty even in terms of legacy.

If Mayweather finished his career fighting Ortiz, Martinez, Khan, and Alvarez (after Alvarez gets some big wins), and Pac finished his career fighting Marquez, Bradley, Ortiz, and Rios...you may have to give the slight edge to Floyd. Either way, both fighters' careers are close.

[SplitSecond]

i'll have to meditate on this

[Via]

Floyd needs to beat Pac, not sergio

[brick wall]

what the ****? floyd hasn't even shown any interest in fighting martinez and floyd fanatics are already wetdreaming about him beating sergio.

[JDezi4]

Barrera Morales Marquez > Martinez, so no

[brains4boxing]

yes sir

he beat shane at the time he had 2 right 4 it was 2 late and that shane just beat margarito...and if he faces sergio right now....i think so...floyd has step his competition up.......

[tangalog2200]

Before 2009, NO ONE had Pac on the same level of ATG as Mayweather. People put everything into Pac's wins over Hatton and Cotto to elevate him over Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez is a great fighter, and he needs that ONE HUGE win to be an all-time great in my book. He beat Pavlik and Williams, and if he can get a win over a Mayweather, Ward, or a Pacquiao...Sergio would without a doubt be an ATG. If Mayweather were to beat Sergio, it would be huge. Sergio is bigger, just as fast, throws pucnhes in bunches at times, and has one punch KO power, and is at his peak. If Floyd went up in weight to beat him, it would be big. It would epic if Floyd beat him at 160, but that will NEVER happen.

You can't seriously rank Pac THAT much higher than Mayweather, can you???

Look back at Mayweather and Pacquiao's biggest fights in their careers, who was in their prime, who was coming off wins or losses, etc.

Mayweather's big fights:
G. Hernandez- Past prime but still good, coming off wins and hadn't lost in 3 years.
Manfredy- Prime, coming off a win over a prime Arturo Gatti, hadn't lost in 5 years.
Corrales- Prime, unbeaten.
C. Hernandez- Prime, hadn't lost in like 4-5 years (Morlales later fought him as well).
Chavez- Prime, hadn't lost in like 4 years (Morales later fought him too).
Castillo 1- Latter prime, hadn't lost in 4 years and coming off win over Johnston.
Castillo 2- Latter prime, immediate rematch.
N'dou- Prime, hadn't lost in like 6 years.
Gatti- Past prime, coming off 5 straight wins, hadn't lost in 3 years.
Judah- Latter prime, coming off loss to Baldomir.
Baldomir- Past prime but still good, hadn't lost in 8 years, coming off win over Judah.
De La Hoya- Past prime, coming off win over Mayorga in his comeback. At 154 lbs.
Hatton- Latter prime, unbeaten, coming off big wins.
Marquez- Past prime but still good, only loss in 3-4 years was a SD loss to Pac.
Mosley- Past prime, coming off big win over Margarito.
Ortiz- Prime, coming 5 straight wins and a draw he should have won, just beaten Berto.

Pacquiao's big fights:
Ledwaba- Prime, coming off wins.
Barrera- Latter prime, coming off wins.
Marquez (DRAW)- Latter prime, coming off wins.
Morales 1 (LOSS)- Latter prime, coming off a loss to Barrera.
Morales 2- Latter prime/past prime but still good, coming off loss to Raheem.
Morales 3- Past prime but still good, immediate rematch.
Barrera 2- Past prime, coming off loss to Marquez.
Solis- Prime, unbeaten.
Marquez 2- Past prime but still good, hadn't lost in 3 years.
Diaz- Past prime but still good, coming off wins.
De La Hoya- Past prime, coming off loss to Mayweather. At 147 lbs.
Hatton- Past prime but still good. Coming off loss to Mayweather and sub par outings vs Lazcano and Malignaggi.
Cotto- Past prime but still good, coming off loss to Margarito and SD win over Clottey.
Clottey- Past prime, coming off loss to Cotto, hadn't won a fight in 2 years.
Margarito- Past prime, coming off loss to Mosley.
Mosley- Past prime, coming off loss to Mayweather and draw with Mora.
Marquez- Past prime, already beaten at 144 by Mayweather, coming off decent wins.

Pac definitely fights guys coming off losses way more than Mayweather. Barrera is an all-time great. Pac's greatest win (unless he beats Mayweather). Morales and Marquez may be all time greats as well, but Pac only beat Morales after Raheem exposed the fact that Morales was not the same guy, and he arguably lost to Marquez twice, only to beat him now when he's 2-3 years removed from being a good fighter at all.

Mayweather argubaly lost to Castillo in the first fight, but he gave him an immediate rematch and won convincingly.

Both have fought guys past their prime, Pac probably a bit more so, but Mayweather's past prime opponents (Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley) were all coming off wins. Pac's past prime opponents (Barrera 2, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez) aren't coming off big wins at all.

Their resumes, considreing everything about each guy going into the fight, and the general outlook as to how the fighter was going in, both fighters are pretty even in terms of legacy.

If Mayweather finished his career fighting Ortiz, Martinez, Khan, and Alvarez (after Alvarez gets some big wins), and Pac finished his career fighting Marquez, Bradley, Ortiz, and Rios...you may have to give the slight edge to Floyd. Either way, both fighters' careers are close.

you missed my point entirely....

for one to say just a win over sergio will catapult floyd over pac on the atg list is to say sergio is greater than pac now...

honestly, even a floyd win over pac now, which may prove floyd is the better boxer over pac may not be even enough to put floyd ahead of pac on the atg list....

why so?

are the fighters that won over the likes of ali, srl, srr, tyson, foreman, hopkins, etc...have to be ranked higher on the atg list? surely not....

again, why so?

bcoz a great fighter suffering another loss would not in anyway greatly diminished what that great fighter had already accomplished in his career...

would a bhop loss to chad really diminished what he had already achieved?

i don't think so..

[delpilar]

No. Sergio hasn't proved himself yet at 160 nor 154. Sergio needs to beat Pirog at 160. Pirog is a better boxer than Sergio.

If Floyd fights the winner of Sergio vs Pirog at 160 and wins, then yes he gets #1.

[hugh grant]

Before 2009, NO ONE had Pac on the same level of ATG as Mayweather. People put everything into Pac's wins over Hatton and Cotto to elevate him over Mayweather.

Pac definitely fights guys coming off losses way more than Mayweather. Barrera is an all-time great. Pac's greatest win (unless he beats Mayweather). Morales and Marquez may be all time greats as well, but Pac only beat Morales after Raheem exposed the fact that Morales was not the same guy, and he arguably lost to Marquez twice, only to beat him now when he's 2-3 years removed from being a good fighter at all.

Mayweather argubaly lost to Castillo in the first fight, but he gave him an immediate rematch and won convincingly.

Both have fought guys past their prime, Pac probably a bit more so, but Mayweather's past prime opponents (Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley) were all coming off wins. Pac's past prime opponents (Barrera 2, De La Hoya, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez) aren't coming off big wins at all.

Their resumes, considreing everything about each guy going into the fight, and the general outlook as to how the fighter was going in, both fighters are pretty even in terms of legacy.

If Mayweather finished his career fighting Ortiz, Martinez, Khan, and Alvarez (after Alvarez gets some big wins), and Pac finished his career fighting Marquez, Bradley, Ortiz, and Rios...you may have to give the slight edge to Floyd. Either way, both fighters' careers are close.

How can people say DLH was coming of a win? He got done by BH, and only won against Mayorga. People go on about hatton and Cotto coming off a loss, even though Cotto won a few good fights and Hatton also came off a great performance going into the Pac fight?
Clottey had never been dominated like he was against Pac so why bring Clotteys name into it? Hes a top WW so how can you use how Pac dominated Clottey to try and make Pac look bad?

Pac stops Morales in 3 and Floyd stops Gatti in 6, and we are supposed to give Floyd as much credit as Pac?
Pacs career is way beyond Floyds right now if you look beyong the surface. if Floyd beats Sergio, Pac is still above Floyd. Floyd needs to beat Pac for people not to laugh at people trying to rate Floyd where Pac is.

[edgarg]

I don't think Mayweather would choose to fight him if he didn't think he was on the decline.